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<blockquote data-quote="Honeyend" data-source="post: 2232769" data-attributes="member: 430576"><p>I can understand why people want testing, but what does it actually do, we are out of the contanment phase? If according to the figures there may be already 10,000 cases, some of which may have little or no symptoms, this is from models from previous epidemics, and data will also be being shared by the WHO. So while it may nice to know whether you are had it, if you have the symptoms, you are obviously not well, isn't better to act as if you have?</p><p>When someone is tested with symptoms they are already in the infective stage, and perhaps the best option is for them to be at home, not potentially spreading it, even if they visit a 'pod', you will be at the most infective stage so why expose health workers needlessly if you are not needing medical support? </p><p>Then you have to think about staffing, while your testing your taking away staff, there is a lot of backroom training going on and staff to upskill, and just working out the logistics of where to put patients and who is going to care for them. There is a plan to register student nurses early, so they will all need mentorship.</p><p>My daughter has told me nursing homes are refusing to take patients, even if they are fit for discharge, which blocks an acute bed with O2. She used to work in ITU and expects to be redeployed back to the wards and expected most of the wards will be functioning like high dependancy units. </p><p> The majority of patients who need ITU beds at the moment are over 70, that is without the virus, many of these patients already die, because of co-morbities.</p><p><a href="https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/hospital-adult-critical-care-activity/2015-16" target="_blank">https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/hospital-adult-critical-care-activity/2015-16</a></p><p></p><p>I am not a fan of BJ, but I can understand the rational behind the discisions, its easy to be critical, but its a balancing act between keeping the country functioning, verus risk. </p><p></p><p>I went to or local public loos on Friday which are clean and well supplied, I watched an elderly smartly dressed lady totter out without washing her hands and get in a wheelchair pushed by her equally elderly husband. There are certain people that for what ever reason think hand washing does not apply to them.</p><p> The impression I get sometimes is that people think hand washing is perhaps a weak defense, but looking at the figures for norvirus, which can be spread by inhalation, this seasons figures are down, which perhaps is down to extra handwashing, as its often a new strain every year.</p><p><a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/871753/Norovirus_update_2020_weeks_08_to_09.pdf" target="_blank">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/871753/Norovirus_update_2020_weeks_08_to_09.pdf</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Honeyend, post: 2232769, member: 430576"] I can understand why people want testing, but what does it actually do, we are out of the contanment phase? If according to the figures there may be already 10,000 cases, some of which may have little or no symptoms, this is from models from previous epidemics, and data will also be being shared by the WHO. So while it may nice to know whether you are had it, if you have the symptoms, you are obviously not well, isn't better to act as if you have? When someone is tested with symptoms they are already in the infective stage, and perhaps the best option is for them to be at home, not potentially spreading it, even if they visit a 'pod', you will be at the most infective stage so why expose health workers needlessly if you are not needing medical support? Then you have to think about staffing, while your testing your taking away staff, there is a lot of backroom training going on and staff to upskill, and just working out the logistics of where to put patients and who is going to care for them. There is a plan to register student nurses early, so they will all need mentorship. My daughter has told me nursing homes are refusing to take patients, even if they are fit for discharge, which blocks an acute bed with O2. She used to work in ITU and expects to be redeployed back to the wards and expected most of the wards will be functioning like high dependancy units. The majority of patients who need ITU beds at the moment are over 70, that is without the virus, many of these patients already die, because of co-morbities. [URL]https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/hospital-adult-critical-care-activity/2015-16[/URL] I am not a fan of BJ, but I can understand the rational behind the discisions, its easy to be critical, but its a balancing act between keeping the country functioning, verus risk. I went to or local public loos on Friday which are clean and well supplied, I watched an elderly smartly dressed lady totter out without washing her hands and get in a wheelchair pushed by her equally elderly husband. There are certain people that for what ever reason think hand washing does not apply to them. The impression I get sometimes is that people think hand washing is perhaps a weak defense, but looking at the figures for norvirus, which can be spread by inhalation, this seasons figures are down, which perhaps is down to extra handwashing, as its often a new strain every year. [URL]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/871753/Norovirus_update_2020_weeks_08_to_09.pdf[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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