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<blockquote data-quote="Winnie53" data-source="post: 2241980" data-attributes="member: 160246"><p>This morning I learned we had a super spreader gathering south of us on March 10th...</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of [a local chorale] debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.</em></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour’s drive to the south.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>But [the county] hadn’t reported any cases, schools and businesses remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.</em></p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>“It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places,” [someone] recalled. “We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other.”</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p><p><em>-----</em></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared ill.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact. Some members helped set up or remove folding chairs. A few helped themselves to mandarins that had been put out on a table in back.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The World Health Organization has <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations" target="_blank">downplayed the possibility of transmission</a> in aerosols, stressing that the virus is spread through much larger “respiratory droplets,” which are emitted when an infected person coughs or sneezes and quickly fall to a surface.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>But a <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=RP" target="_blank">study published March 17</a> in the New England Journal of Medicine found that when the virus was suspended in a mist under laboratory conditions it remained “viable and infectious” for three hours — though researchers have said that time period would probably be no more than a half-hour in real-world conditions.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>One of the authors of that study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, a UCLA infectious disease researcher, said it’s possible that the forceful breathing action of singing dispersed viral particles in the church room that were widely inhaled.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>“One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols,” he said.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>With three-quarters of the choir members testing positive for the virus or showing symptoms of infection, the outbreak would be considered a “super-spreading event,” he said.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech and an expert on airborne transmission of viruses, said some people happen to be especially good at exhaling fine material, producing 1,000 times more than others.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Marr said that the choir outbreak should be seen as a powerful warning to the public.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>“This may help people realize that, hey, we really need to be careful,” she said.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p><p>This is so heartbreaking. The above are excerpts only. The article is well written and fills in many additional details...</p><p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak" target="_blank">https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak</a></p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>The Life Tabernacle church gathered again this past Sunday. Only 500 this time. The pastor's father, who I believe is the church's former pastor, stated his son is doing nothing wrong. That likely is playing a role in this challenge to the Baton Rouge, Louisiana community.</p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>And today I learned that a mega church in Tampa, Florida is continuing to offer Sunday services, but in this case, local law enforcement with the support of the state's governor have taken legal action... <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-sheriffs-office-obtains-arrest-warrant-for-pastor-of-tampa-church-that-held-large-sunday-services/ar-BB11VzzL" target="_blank">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-sheriffs-office-obtains-arrest-warrant-for-pastor-of-tampa-church-that-held-large-sunday-services/ar-BB11VzzL</a> Not sure if this will work, but at least they're trying to put a stop to this nonsense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Winnie53, post: 2241980, member: 160246"] This morning I learned we had a super spreader gathering south of us on March 10th... [INDENT][I]With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of [a local chorale] debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.[/I][/INDENT] [I][/I] [INDENT][I]The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour’s drive to the south. But [the county] hadn’t reported any cases, schools and businesses remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.[/I][/INDENT] ----- [INDENT][I]Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes. “It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places,” [someone] recalled. “We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other.” After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m. Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead. [/I][/INDENT] [I]-----[/I] [INDENT][I] In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared ill. Everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact. Some members helped set up or remove folding chairs. A few helped themselves to mandarins that had been put out on a table in back. Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer. The World Health Organization has [URL='https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations']downplayed the possibility of transmission[/URL] in aerosols, stressing that the virus is spread through much larger “respiratory droplets,” which are emitted when an infected person coughs or sneezes and quickly fall to a surface. But a [URL='https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=RP']study published March 17[/URL] in the New England Journal of Medicine found that when the virus was suspended in a mist under laboratory conditions it remained “viable and infectious” for three hours — though researchers have said that time period would probably be no more than a half-hour in real-world conditions. One of the authors of that study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, a UCLA infectious disease researcher, said it’s possible that the forceful breathing action of singing dispersed viral particles in the church room that were widely inhaled. “One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols,” he said. With three-quarters of the choir members testing positive for the virus or showing symptoms of infection, the outbreak would be considered a “super-spreading event,” he said. Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech and an expert on airborne transmission of viruses, said some people happen to be especially good at exhaling fine material, producing 1,000 times more than others. Marr said that the choir outbreak should be seen as a powerful warning to the public. “This may help people realize that, hey, we really need to be careful,” she said. [/I][/INDENT] This is so heartbreaking. The above are excerpts only. The article is well written and fills in many additional details... [URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak[/URL] ----- The Life Tabernacle church gathered again this past Sunday. Only 500 this time. The pastor's father, who I believe is the church's former pastor, stated his son is doing nothing wrong. That likely is playing a role in this challenge to the Baton Rouge, Louisiana community. ----- And today I learned that a mega church in Tampa, Florida is continuing to offer Sunday services, but in this case, local law enforcement with the support of the state's governor have taken legal action... [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-sheriffs-office-obtains-arrest-warrant-for-pastor-of-tampa-church-that-held-large-sunday-services/ar-BB11VzzL[/URL] Not sure if this will work, but at least they're trying to put a stop to this nonsense. [/QUOTE]
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