Thing is, it's virtually unenforceable, unless the individual is a bit daft and boasts of it. If they work in a relevant environment and have to test regularly, their results will be uploaded, so they'd be unable to go to work.
Beyond that, who will question someone being out and about? Nobody.
Bearing in mind the current variant is common cold-like, how could anyone really know anyway. Once free for all testing goes, how will anyone really have a definitive diagnosis anyway?
It is up to each individual how much they do or don't interact with others. It has never struck me that I should rely upon someone else to keep me safe from covid.
I think I’m being misunderstood with my replies, its not the “out and about” people I’m worried about - I’ve been mixing with these throughout the pandemic - and I/we can still do what we’ve always done - eg sanitizer, keep a comfortable distance, mask wearing if I want to - it’s the people my hubby will spend many hours with at work in confined spaces, people as in my previous example coming into my sons safe space (home) for prolonged periods of time,
I’m certainly not relying on anyone else to keep my son safe, I’ve never had anyone before, during or as I’m finding out after Covid had any help with this- we’ve been doing it quite successfully and actually as I’m replying to this I’ve just realised I find that comment a bit upsetting and patronising and I guess maybe you are proving my point of “I’m alright Jack” is going to be the order of the day
Me neither, but I do feel I should do my best to protect those more vulnerable than me and not expect them to shut themselves away.. It has never struck me that I should rely upon someone else to keep me safe from covid.
Totally agree zand.I find it so sad that here we are, a forum full of people who have had health problems and yet there are some here who don't understand how others less fortunate than themselves might be feeling now that restrictions are being lifted.
I'm so sorry for your friend. I don't doubt that many illnesses are not treated fast enough or muddled up with popular ones. It does P*** me off that drs. make so much money for so little care. I have more respect for vets and nurses. As for calculations and algorithms, political statistics may be an ominous factor. As for opening up, frankly I don't know which is the best direction; I am just vigilant to avoid further contamination. We don't really know if herd immunity may actually kill the virus sooner, after all.To be honest i'm not worried, if the recent few months have shown us anything, its that the vaccination program has kept it under control and limited deaths to an acceptable level.
I accepted and supported the controls early on where the death rate was very high (proportional to cases), now the death rate is very very low and in an "acceptable level" where by the down sides of continued lock down out weighs the up sides.
Its at less then 200 per week with cases the highest we have ever seen them, and that's 200 people who died with covid within the last 28 days. There was an interesting article around January time that showed that if you strip out those people who "died with covid in the last 28 days" from "died because of covid" the number drops at least by half if not more. (IE every one who goes to hospital gets tested and when we have millions of cases may well have covid as they die of cancer)
I do agree that 100 people a week dying is sad, but i don't agree it worth continuing to keep the country under restrictions. Mass population control over such small numbers is a horrible precedent. ~200 people a week die directly of alcohol related issues, ban all pubs and beers. ~600 people die of Diabetes related issues, enforce strict diets and enforce exercise regimes in the whole country etc (lets not get started on obesity in general - BMI check at fast food places to get in?)
I know they are different issues and im being unfair connecting the two, but allot more people die of preventable stuff because there is a line where counter measures out weigh deaths.
Im also speaking from personal experience in that a friend of mine died of something which may well have been prevented if they had been seen at the hospital in the usual way - took the best part of a year to be diagnosed with something that should have been done in a few months with appointments canceled or put off due to covid restrictions (ironically caught covid in hospital at the end and went down as a covid death even though she was riddled with cancer by this point). Then she died alone in hospital as no one could visit. Allot of the removal of restrictions will mean that NHS staff, support staff, infrastructure staff wont be isolating all the time leading to delays which may then result in further deaths. How many will be saved vrs how many will die is always the calculation.
In summary, I totally understand people who are worried if they feel at risk. But I still support the opening up of things to be honest.
The bit I find odd is when people who test positive without symptoms are labelled “The Infected.” On any given day the UK was indiscriminately testing more than 1 million people. At a ~3% false positive rate, that guarantees 30,000 positives each and every day. Mathematically all false. You can’t just go around testing millions and millions of healthy people without talking about the fallibility of the test being used. Yet that’s exactly what has happened.
The problem when people like you who’s views on diabetes are respected start discussing covid is that some people will tend to believe you .... so your 30,000 false positives a day each and every day over the last 600 days amounts to 18 million false positives .... out of a total of 18.6 million recorded positive tests .... mmmmm
Jim, do you really think we have had 18 million false positives out of 18.6 million positive tests ? Really ??Some people will tend to believe me when I state that diagnostic testing has a false positive rate? The horror of it!
The issue is that the false positive rate of testing becomes a massive problem when you are using it to ‘diagnose’ millions upon millions of people who aren’t sick. Whether or not anyone ‘believes’ me is their choice, but it won’t change the facts of the case.
Jim, do you really think we have had 18 million false positives out of 18.6 million positive tests ? Really ??
Jim, do you really think we have had 18 million false positives out of 18.6 million positive tests ? Really ??
As none of the tests are fit for purpose then we'll unfortunately never have any decent idea..
Marc, You are another who’s opinions on diabetes always interests me as you have done so well, less sure about your attitudes towards medicines, and having had a quick look at your Twitter page I would be interested to know if you consider yourself to be an anti vaxer ?
As none of the tests are fit for purpose then we'll unfortunately never have any decent idea..
Me neither, but I do feel I should do my best to protect those more vulnerable than me and not expect them to shut themselves away.
Although I replied to your post, I wasn't really aiming it at you personally. I agree with almost all of what you are saying.Zand, lets be clear here, I have zero intention of behaving inappropriately in the company of others. As a reserved person, I probably respect the personal space of others more than others, but that doesn't mean we have to have restrictions. We have to move to a position where we think for ourselves, and consider the risks and benefits of any given event or scenario.
Of course there may be those out shopping who are infected (whether they know it or not), but I don't think any change to the rules or laws will change that situation. It has been around us since day 1.
Perfection doesn't exist in this. We all have to accept compromises somewhere along the line. If there is a scenario where we feel nervy we should take personal steps to mitigate that - whether it is wearing a mask, shopping at quiet hours, or replaying the questioning we all probably get if we have a medical appointment - "Are you fit and well today? Do you have any covid symptoms?"
Of course, "they" can lie, but they can also lie today, or yesterday or any other day in the last near 2 years.
(and now I will dip out of this conversation!)
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