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<blockquote data-quote="Catlady19" data-source="post: 2335122" data-attributes="member: 135231"><p>Wait, I am being disingenuous? Ok then! Do you know how patronising you sound? </p><p>How, exactly, would you shield the vulnerable and elderly when many of them live with other people and the virus can easily be passed to them.... a vaccine perhaps?</p><p>The vaccines do not appear to be ill-tested, they have been tested on thousands of people; many of the processes which take many years (ie financing and obtaining volunteers for trials) have been extinguished or sped up because this is a pandemic affecting the whole world and it is needed as fast as possible, that does not mean that safety procedures have been erased. The newest Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for instance, has been modified from the Ebola vaccine and hence they already had a base to start with. They will all have to pass rigorous safety tests with the MHRA before it can be administered.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">I am well aware</span> of The Great Barrington Declaration (no need for a lecture on them) and actually I totally agree with them in principle (I am not a fan of lockdowns unless needed to protect the NHS) but they do not accurately describe how they would protect the elderly and vulnerable without the use of a vaccine (apart from locking them in a hotel room). Because they can't.</p><p>Yes, we need a full discussion about the vaccines available, ingredients, side effects, etc and they need to pass through MHRA but I do not see how we can achieve safety for elderly and vulnerable people without one. Even the GBD say they do not know how long natural herd immunity will take and it is more likely to be achieved with vaccination.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Catlady19, post: 2335122, member: 135231"] Wait, I am being disingenuous? Ok then! Do you know how patronising you sound? How, exactly, would you shield the vulnerable and elderly when many of them live with other people and the virus can easily be passed to them.... a vaccine perhaps? The vaccines do not appear to be ill-tested, they have been tested on thousands of people; many of the processes which take many years (ie financing and obtaining volunteers for trials) have been extinguished or sped up because this is a pandemic affecting the whole world and it is needed as fast as possible, that does not mean that safety procedures have been erased. The newest Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for instance, has been modified from the Ebola vaccine and hence they already had a base to start with. They will all have to pass rigorous safety tests with the MHRA before it can be administered. [COLOR=#ff0000]I am well aware[/COLOR] of The Great Barrington Declaration (no need for a lecture on them) and actually I totally agree with them in principle (I am not a fan of lockdowns unless needed to protect the NHS) but they do not accurately describe how they would protect the elderly and vulnerable without the use of a vaccine (apart from locking them in a hotel room). Because they can't. Yes, we need a full discussion about the vaccines available, ingredients, side effects, etc and they need to pass through MHRA but I do not see how we can achieve safety for elderly and vulnerable people without one. Even the GBD say they do not know how long natural herd immunity will take and it is more likely to be achieved with vaccination. [/QUOTE]
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