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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 2268786" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>I'm definitely keto-adapted, and have been for years, but I can't fast for 24 hrs without wanting to gnaw the arm off the nearest child. So I don't think that lack-of-hunger is a universal experience. I have never seen the wondrous benefits of hunger-free fasting that others experience.</p><p></p><p>As for HbA1c dropping... nope. My bg didn't plummet anywhere (moresthepity). Although I am now firmly below of T2 bg levels.</p><p></p><p>My responses to your questions are (in my opinion)</p><p>(You certainly won't find me quoting hard lines, numbers, or anything, since those are just things people like to use to score points off each other about.)</p><p></p><p><em>a) What are the quantifiable criteria that allow me to check whether I am keto-adapted?</em></p><p>Feeling better. Having more energy. Having more stamina. Having much better resistance to the cold. Losing the dragging weighed down feeling caused by irregular bgs and insulin resistance.</p><p>Oh, and the capacity to eat a few carbs here and there as occasional indulgences then slip easily and comfortably back and forth, in and out of hardcore keto, without experiencing energy loss or 'keto flu'. As Steven Phinney regularly says, the depth of keto is irrelevant to either bg control or weight loss, and as Amy Berger points out, the phrase 'getting kicked out of ketosis' is both inaccurate and misleading. It isn't a switch, it is more like a dial, and once we are past the first few days of 'going keto' our bodies show remarkable adaptability.</p><p></p><p><em>b) Does / should being keto-adapted, as opposed simply to being in ketosis for 14 weeks, make a difference to the HbA1c level I can be expected to achieve?</em></p><p>Blood glucose levels are only relevant to keto in that if they are too high, then you have too much bg and insulin floating about to be properly in ketosis. Keto really shouldn't be some kind of competition to get numbers lower than other ppl's.</p><p></p><p><em>c) Does HbA1c continue to improve over a longer period of time; for instance, if you measure it 3 months after being definitely keto-adapted, can you expect it to get much better over the following year?</em></p><p>Not necessarily. Depends on what you are eating and where your body likes to stabilise its bgs at. We are not all the same. Some of us have other health issues that affect our endocrine system, activity levels, appetite, etc. which also affect how our bodies handle both ketosis and ketoadaptation.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: If you are feeling better, are eating consistently well, are getting excellent nutrition, and your bgs are within a good range, then don't worry about the fine line between keto and keto-adaptation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 2268786, member: 41816"] I'm definitely keto-adapted, and have been for years, but I can't fast for 24 hrs without wanting to gnaw the arm off the nearest child. So I don't think that lack-of-hunger is a universal experience. I have never seen the wondrous benefits of hunger-free fasting that others experience. As for HbA1c dropping... nope. My bg didn't plummet anywhere (moresthepity). Although I am now firmly below of T2 bg levels. My responses to your questions are (in my opinion) (You certainly won't find me quoting hard lines, numbers, or anything, since those are just things people like to use to score points off each other about.) [I]a) What are the quantifiable criteria that allow me to check whether I am keto-adapted?[/I] Feeling better. Having more energy. Having more stamina. Having much better resistance to the cold. Losing the dragging weighed down feeling caused by irregular bgs and insulin resistance. Oh, and the capacity to eat a few carbs here and there as occasional indulgences then slip easily and comfortably back and forth, in and out of hardcore keto, without experiencing energy loss or 'keto flu'. As Steven Phinney regularly says, the depth of keto is irrelevant to either bg control or weight loss, and as Amy Berger points out, the phrase 'getting kicked out of ketosis' is both inaccurate and misleading. It isn't a switch, it is more like a dial, and once we are past the first few days of 'going keto' our bodies show remarkable adaptability. [I]b) Does / should being keto-adapted, as opposed simply to being in ketosis for 14 weeks, make a difference to the HbA1c level I can be expected to achieve?[/I] Blood glucose levels are only relevant to keto in that if they are too high, then you have too much bg and insulin floating about to be properly in ketosis. Keto really shouldn't be some kind of competition to get numbers lower than other ppl's. [I]c) Does HbA1c continue to improve over a longer period of time; for instance, if you measure it 3 months after being definitely keto-adapted, can you expect it to get much better over the following year?[/I] Not necessarily. Depends on what you are eating and where your body likes to stabilise its bgs at. We are not all the same. Some of us have other health issues that affect our endocrine system, activity levels, appetite, etc. which also affect how our bodies handle both ketosis and ketoadaptation. Bottom line: If you are feeling better, are eating consistently well, are getting excellent nutrition, and your bgs are within a good range, then don't worry about the fine line between keto and keto-adaptation. [/QUOTE]
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