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just wondering about normal people ,,, lol i mean those who dont have diabetes , if they tested after say a binge on sweet sugary foods would there levels go up or do they stay the same ???
 
They'll go up just the same as we do, but probably not as high and should return back to normal quicker.

Nigel
 
Is that right? I've always assumed that a non-diabetic stays in the range of 4 - 7mmol/l nomatter what they eat. Their pancreas would kick out enough insulin to keep the BG below 7mmol/l no matter what they eat.

Can anyone verify this???
 
im asking because a friend came for a meal last weekend , he likes a lot of food and then had a good few drinks v, as i was testing myself he jokingly asked me to test him , which i did and he was 24 .5 he had a very large chinese meal and umpteen beers and wine , could he be diabetic ???
 
I would urge your friend to go and get checked out. I don't think those are non-diabetic readings even when a large meal and alcohol has been consumed. I can tell you what my readings are post meal, I'm a non-diabetic, but as I don't eat large portions or drink alcohol it would be irrelevant so you still wouldn't know if your friends readings are normal. But I have a strong feeling those readings are far from normal.
 
your friend really needs cheking out as everyone i know is not diabetic and quite a few cheked theirs after a big binge and the highest reading seen was 8.9 so as u can see ...your friend definately needs to see someone :?
 
agreed I think your friend should get tested at his GP's as they are definately not normal readings for a non diabetic.
 
Patch said:
Is that right? I've always assumed that a non-diabetic stays in the range of 4 - 7mmol/l nomatter what they eat. Their pancreas would kick out enough insulin to keep the BG below 7mmol/l no matter what they eat.

Can anyone verify this???
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No!
The most recent study I know used continuous glucose monitoring and found nearly all of the people in the study exceeded 7.8mmol for some time during the day. (but sorry Ragman's friend none of them reached 24.5 which is a very very high glucose level, he really needs to see a doc, unless of course he still had his dinner on his fingers)

80 participants without diabetes completed an intensive glucose monitoring period of 12 weeks. From these data, we calculated the average 24 h glucose exposure as time spent above different plasma glucose thresholds.
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We found that 93% of participants reached glucose concentrations above the IGT threshold of 7.8 mmol/l and spent a median of 26 min/day above this level during continuous glucose monitoring. Eight individuals (10%) spent more than 2 h in the IGT range. They had higher HbA1c, fasting plasma glucose (FPG), age and BMI than those who did not. Seven participants (9%) reached glucose concentrations above 11.1 mmol/l during monitoring
Even though the non-diabetic individuals monitored in the ADAG study were selected on the basis of a very low level of baseline FPG, 10% of these spent a considerable amount of time at glucose levels considered to be ‘prediabetic’ or indicating IGT. This highlights the fact that exposure to moderately elevated glucose levels remains under-appreciated when individuals are classified on the basis of isolated glucose measurements.
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What they don't know is whether some of these people who had very high readings would have done so on a OGTT (11mmol is used as a diagnostic number ) There is also no data either here or elsewhere to show whether these higher levels are part of normal variance and of no import or if they are more likely to lead to the development of diabetes.

Real-life glycaemic profiles in non-diabetic individuals with low fasting glucose and normal HbA R. Borg et al, Diabetologia. 2010 August
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892065/ (its a full text link)
 
ragman said:
im asking because a friend came for a meal last weekend , he likes a lot of food and then had a good few drinks v, as i was testing myself he jokingly asked me to test him , which i did and he was 24 .5 he had a very large chinese meal and umpteen beers and wine , could he be diabetic ???
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Ragman,

At 24.5 his levels are way beyond 'normal levels' and he does need to get this checked out asap. Just of of interest, did your friend wash his hands thoroughly before testing, as contaminated hands can give a false reading as you well know, but just the same he's best to get his blood checked at his gp surgery.

When I did the DAFNE course, as a experiment the nurse (who isn't diabetic) tested her blood 1 hour after eating her lunch and was 8.3, however 2 hours later it was 5.1, so to reaffirm .....yes bg does fluctuate in non-diabetics too.

Nigel
 
I really don't understand all of this. I was told by my nurses that a non-diabetic never goes beyond 7 except say after a big Christmas dinner or something, and then it only goes between 7 and 8.
If that nurse went to over 8 after her lunch which I guess wouldn't have been as heavy as the main meal, it just seems too much to me. What if a non-diabetic did a glucose test then? Even after 2 hours couldn't there be a danger of reading over 7 and being told they are diabetic?
 
Joely said:
I really don't understand all of this. I was told by my nurses that a non-diabetic never goes beyond 7 except say after a big Christmas dinner or something, and then it only goes between 7 and 8.
If that nurse went to over 8 after her lunch which I guess wouldn't have been as heavy as the main meal, it just seems too much to me. What if a non-diabetic did a glucose test then? Even after 2 hours couldn't there be a danger of reading over 7 and being told they are diabetic?
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Joely,

I can't say for sure what the nurses lunch entailed, could have been a sandwich and pudding but am not sure, either way what is important that they returned to normal levels (5.1) before the 2 hour mark, which would mean she is not diabetic. No one is diagnosed now with a one-off high reading, certainly not 8.3 anyway, and further tests would be needed before a diagnosis was confirmed.

Nigel
 
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