Those of you that may have read my post - "Neuropathy and painkillers" of 17th Feb - will have seen that I expoused the theory that a sharp knock or trauma can cause blood clots to us diabetics. Not believing in co-incidence, I was certain that this had caused my condition and published this with a view to warn of this danger. I HAD NO PROOF THAT MY THEORY HELD WATER!! However, without any prior knowledge of my statement, a friend has just emailed me with the content of Tuesday's Daily Mail Health section headed 'Vulnerable blood' which states that it appears that diabetics' blood appears to clot more readily than those unaffected with the illness. It proposes the usual care warnings, e.g., maintaining good blood pressure and blood sugar levels, etc., to try to avoid this propensity. I have no further info at this stage but am trying to find the author of this co-incidental conclusion and will return. If others of you have heard or know about this subject I would be pleased to hear from you.
Daily Mail - 'Vulnerable Blood'
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I'd love to hear more about this. I believe I developed diabetes after a cycling accident at the age of 6. I was hit by a van, and was in hospital for a while. I was bruised (black bruises!) from my neck to my waist.
It was after the accident that I started putting weight on. I'm certain that the impact caused something (pancrease?) to sotop working properly...
It was after the accident that I started putting weight on. I'm certain that the impact caused something (pancrease?) to sotop working properly...
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Hmmm interesting!
What about illness and infections too causing diabetes?
I was diagnosed after having had pneumonia then septiceamea infections...
Trauma, accidents,shock and illness, infections can impact on the body big time and style I strongly feel and agree.
It took me 12 months to recover from the pneumonia and septis, clearly the body had to do some fighting this lot off,
so could have damaged the pancreas????
The illnesses happened in 2008 - was diagnosed 2009 [was/am tiny in frame body] had and still do always followed a healthy very low carb diet due to diverticulitis bowel disease.
Too much of a coincidence to the timing of it all - to have any other reason!!! [this is my own personal veiw]
Vunerable blood??? interesting point and factor - as YEP I was and still am vunerable to things!
Anna.
What about illness and infections too causing diabetes?
I was diagnosed after having had pneumonia then septiceamea infections...
Trauma, accidents,shock and illness, infections can impact on the body big time and style I strongly feel and agree.
It took me 12 months to recover from the pneumonia and septis, clearly the body had to do some fighting this lot off,
so could have damaged the pancreas????
The illnesses happened in 2008 - was diagnosed 2009 [was/am tiny in frame body] had and still do always followed a healthy very low carb diet due to diverticulitis bowel disease.
Too much of a coincidence to the timing of it all - to have any other reason!!! [this is my own personal veiw]
Vunerable blood??? interesting point and factor - as YEP I was and still am vunerable to things!
Anna.
The article refers to a Dr. Azfar Zaman and this is the Daily Fail article. (It can be seen towards the end of this page).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... -much.html
I have searched for a complete article by Dr. Zaman, it may not have been published yet or I am having difficulty finding it. Hope it is the former.
The article states that even obsessive control does not work if your blood is "vulnerable" as is seen in Type2 diabetes.. This means fewer Heart Attacks within the controlled group but an increase in mortality if you do suffer from a Heart Attack.
It goes on to say that if you need to lose weight, then get lighter as this is the key to not succumbing to possible complications caused by the "vulnerable blood".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... -much.html
I have searched for a complete article by Dr. Zaman, it may not have been published yet or I am having difficulty finding it. Hope it is the former.
The article states that even obsessive control does not work if your blood is "vulnerable" as is seen in Type2 diabetes.. This means fewer Heart Attacks within the controlled group but an increase in mortality if you do suffer from a Heart Attack.
It goes on to say that if you need to lose weight, then get lighter as this is the key to not succumbing to possible complications caused by the "vulnerable blood".
I also had pneumonia about 3 months prior to diagnosis (type 1) but looking back I think my pancreas had some troubles almost a year before I got really ill. Perhaps it's the other way around, an on-coming D making the body more susceptible to other diseases?anna29 said:
Now you have got me thinking!!!! Either is possible ????anna29 said:Hi fenix92.
Now you have got me thinking!!!! Either is possible ????
Anna.x :think: :think: :think:
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Here are his publications:
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/icm/people/profile/azfar.zaman
I think this one is relevant (though very difficult for us non specialists)
http://dvr.sagepub.com/content/5/2/138.full.pdf+
He also uses the term vulnerable blood in this paper, suggesting that people in with T2 who have coronary artery disease, the normal dose of aspirin is less effective because of this vulnerable blood (ie with dysfunctional clotting ).
I don't think there is any suggestion that this 'vulnerable blood' has a role in causing diabetes, more a result of it.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 176.x/full
Dear All, I did not propose that Diabetes causes our blood to clot but that we Diabetics have blood which has a propensity to clot more than the rest of society. This subtle difference is important! Which comes first 'chicken or egg'? It may be of help to understand the connection which should perhaps be examinded more closely. I welcome the contributions from Catherine and Phoenix, especially Catherine who appears to be a fount of all medical help and advice (she is at least for me lately), both of whom have 'beaten me to the draw'. I went back to my informant for more info on the DM article and was told that Dr. Martin had attended an annual refresher course run by the Royal College of Physicians and that the lecturer was a cardiologist. Now this is very interesting in that many people have serious problems after operations due to thrombosis - I wonder whether, in the cardiologist's experience, that his unfortunate diabetic patients may feature disproportionately in this respect. Again, please remember, I found this possible co-incidence by chance in my own case as a result of an accident last July. My specialist is unaware of any connection we are discussing - I will be seeing him on the 27th and ask him to check his S/E Asian colleagues because China and Indonesia lead the world in Diabetes being numbers one and two respectively with the highest diabetics per capita so I would have thought that they should know something. I have been a Diabetic for a long time and have never seen or heard anything about 'vulnerable blood' before. Meanwhile, I will look up the links so kindly submitted.
Just seen the DM article - wish I hadn't really cos I still have one (from the original three) large clot behind the knee which stubbornly refuses to 'melt' judging by the leg, ankle and foot swelling which still persists. The article says, "It's a tough sort of clot that doesn't clear - making it extra lethal"
I had 'proper' flu before I became diabetic (T1) and my 1st husband and his cousin both had chicken pocks followed by measles and then diabetes (T1) within a 6 month period
Could it be that a serious illness or event confuses our immune system sending our white blood cells off on a crazy mission to attach our pancreas
I've met loads of people with diabetes who had some sort of short illness before they developed Type 1. Surely not a complete coincidence :wink:
Could it be that a serious illness or event confuses our immune system sending our white blood cells off on a crazy mission to attach our pancreas
I've met loads of people with diabetes who had some sort of short illness before they developed Type 1. Surely not a complete coincidence :wink:
