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Defren

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Since coming off the Newcastle diet, my FBG and +2 BG have been slowly rising and I couldn't understand why. Today I have sat with all my charts to see what's going on. It seems that along with a very low carb tolerance I also have extra low tolerance to carbs in dairy :?: Dairy carbs make my readings react as though they were large amounts. I weigh absolutely everything and have double checked the carb amounts, but say 2g of carbs will shoot my figures up like 10-12g of carbs would? The main and biggest spikes come when ever I have anything dairy or berry's. One meal I have almost every day as it's a real favourite is Greek yogurt and berries, and it was by seeing a consistent high reading after that meal I looked deeper. I then saw the same thing apply with milk and cream. I seem to be reasonably alright with cheese, I have had Cheddar, Mozzarella and Brie since eating properly again and each caused just a minimal spike.

Does anyone have any insight into this, or suffer the same problem? Removing carbs, wheat and grains is one thing, but if I have to remove most dairy it's going to leave a rather poor diet. Any suggestions? I have racked my brains 'till my head hurts!
 
I get a similar disproportionate reaction to yoghurt and berries.

I do the same yoghurt and berries thing for breakfast but want it to cause a bit of a spike (under safety of course). I have a theory that a short spike caused by the sugar in the berries actually speeds up lowering DP levels. Does it matter what time of day you eat them and what you eat with it? If I have a similar amount of yoghurt and berries for pud after dinner then it doesn't touch me at all.
 
Hi Defren,

I have a similar reaction to the carbs in dairy too. It took me a while to work out why my BG was increasing despite having a low carb meal, then I read that other people can have similar reactions despite the dairy being low carb.

One explanation that I came across recently suggests that high fat foods can cause insulin resistance in some people, and large amounts of high fat foods in general may cause glucotoxity which may contribute to beta cell death. I know a lot of people follow LCHF diets here, so I'm not suggesting that this is true for everyone, it's just what I came across when trying to find an explanation for my high BG levels after eating things like cheese and cream.

I used to eat lots of dairy after diagnosis, and I love greek yougurt and brie sooooo much, but it raises my BG, plus another medical condition means I have to avoid most dairy nowadays. It does make for a much more boring diet if I'm honest :(
 
xyzzy said:
I get a similar disproportionate reaction to yoghurt and berries.

I do the same yoghurt and berries thing for breakfast but want it to cause a bit of a spike (under safety of course). I have a theory that a short spike caused by the sugar in the berries actually speeds up lowering DP levels. Does it matter what time of day you eat them and what you eat with it? If I have a similar amount of yoghurt and berries for pud after dinner then it doesn't touch me at all.
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Hi Steve, no, it makes no difference what time I have it, the spike is really quite large. Considering I only ever have 100g of Greek yogurt and 60g of berries, the spike is very disproportionate. I did initially think it may be the sugar in the berries, to be honest I still wonder if that's the cause, but I have never had berries with cream or milk, and they spike me quite badly as well.
 
Hi Jo! Bit of a puzzler this one,the only dairy that affected me was milk,so I swapped to 'Arla Lacto free whole milk' which helped me with the spikes that even a splash of milk in my tea used to cause-about 2mmol! :thumbdown: since changing to Lacto free I do seem to get away with it now. :thumbup:


Ps. I apologise in advance if you've already tried lacto free milk! :wink:
 
Sirzy said:
Hi Defren,

I have a similar reaction to the carbs in dairy too. It took me a while to work out why my BG was increasing despite having a low carb meal, then I read that other people can have similar reactions despite the dairy being low carb.

One explanation that I came across recently suggests that high fat foods can cause insulin resistance in some people, and large amounts of high fat foods in general may cause glucotoxity which may contribute to beta cell death. I know a lot of people follow LCHF diets here, so I'm not suggesting that this is true for everyone, it's just what I came across when trying to find an explanation for my high BG levels after eating things like cheese and cream.

I used to eat lots of dairy after diagnosis, and I love greek yougurt and brie sooooo much, but it raises my BG, plus another medical condition means I have to avoid most dairy nowadays. It does make for a much more boring diet if I'm honest :(
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This is my concern. I have to ultra low carb otherwise my BG is all over, but with ULC I have always had excellent control. It's since I came off the ND my lovely FBG Of 4's have gone to 6's and my +2 meals are all much, much higher as well. I really will be gutted if I do have to cut out dairy. I choose not to eat wheat and grains, but have no choice with the amount of carbs I can tolerate.
 
Paul1976 said:
Hi Jo! Bit of a puzzler this one,the only dairy that affected me was milk,so I swapped to 'Arla Lacto free whole milk' which helped me with the spikes that even a splash of milk in my tea used to cause-about 2mmol! :thumbdown: since changing to Lacto free I do seem to get away with it now. :thumbup:


Ps. I apologise in advance if you've already tried lacto free milk! :wink:
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Hi Paul, no, not tried lacto free, I drink coffee and use cream rather than milk. I also drink green, camomile and Earl Grey tea, so no milk required. The odd times I have had milk in coffee it's been organic semi skimmed and it spiked me. Cutting milk is easy, but the rest of my dairy diet is going to make eating pretty bland.
 
Defren said:
Since coming off the Newcastle diet, my FBG and +2 BG have been slowly rising and I couldn't understand why. Today I have sat with all my charts to see what's going on. It seems that along with a very low carb tolerance I also have extra low tolerance to carbs in dairy :?: Dairy carbs make my readings react as though they were large amounts. I weigh absolutely everything and have double checked the carb amounts, but say 2g of carbs will shoot my figures up like 10-12g of carbs would? The main and biggest spikes come when ever I have anything dairy or berry's. One meal I have almost every day as it's a real favourite is Greek yogurt and berries, and it was by seeing a consistent high reading after that meal I looked deeper. I then saw the same thing apply with milk and cream. I seem to be reasonably alright with cheese, I have had Cheddar, Mozzarella and Brie since eating properly again and each caused just a minimal spike.

Does anyone have any insight into this, or suffer the same problem? Removing carbs, wheat and grains is one thing, but if I have to remove most dairy it's going to leave a rather poor diet. Any suggestions? I have racked my brains 'till my head hurts!
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Hi Defren

You don't ever eat breakfast and this was your main meal at lunchtime. I wonder if your liver is dumping glucose because of the small amount you are eating?
 
catherinecherub said:
Defren said:
Since coming off the Newcastle diet, my FBG and +2 BG have been slowly rising and I couldn't understand why. Today I have sat with all my charts to see what's going on. It seems that along with a very low carb tolerance I also have extra low tolerance to carbs in dairy :?: Dairy carbs make my readings react as though they were large amounts. I weigh absolutely everything and have double checked the carb amounts, but say 2g of carbs will shoot my figures up like 10-12g of carbs would? The main and biggest spikes come when ever I have anything dairy or berry's. One meal I have almost every day as it's a real favourite is Greek yogurt and berries, and it was by seeing a consistent high reading after that meal I looked deeper. I then saw the same thing apply with milk and cream. I seem to be reasonably alright with cheese, I have had Cheddar, Mozzarella and Brie since eating properly again and each caused just a minimal spike.

Does anyone have any insight into this, or suffer the same problem? Removing carbs, wheat and grains is one thing, but if I have to remove most dairy it's going to leave a rather poor diet. Any suggestions? I have racked my brains 'till my head hurts!
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Hi Defren

You don't ever eat breakfast and this was your main meal at lunchtime. I wonder if your liver is dumping glucose because of the small amount you are eating?
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Since I came off the ND I have not been eating small amounts. My calories for yesterday for example were 1,519. I also eat at regular intervals, so no, I don't believe that is the case.
 
Try making a Greek Yoghurt Salad dressing to put on a cheese/ham/prawn/mackerel salad and see what happens.

This will keep for a couple of days in the fridge.

1/2 cup Greek Yoghurt.
Small red onion chopped finely.
Juice from a lime/lemon.
2 tablespoons olive oil.
1/2teaspoon Cumin.
Chopped herbs of choice. (I use mint or parsley).

Mix together and leave in the fridge for an hour before serving.
 
I was having problems implementing the high fat part of my new regime then last week decided to take a leap of faith and commit to a real LCHF diet. Since then my BGs have been steadily rising. Not a lot but enough to have me worried. To-day I have only just managed to stay under 6 when before I was high4/low5 throughout the day.

The main way I have been increasing the fat content of my food has been by using Double Cream so I decided after my +2 lunch reading (5.8 ) to cut out the extra fat I have been having. Having just caught up of this thread I am wondering if I am having the same problem with some dairy products.

One part of me is hoping that this is the explanation for my rising BG levels but the other part is just hoping I come down overnight with a bad cold instead. I so love cream. :(
 
catza said:
I was having problems implementing the high fat part of my new regime then last week decided to take a leap of faith and commit to a real LCHF diet. Since then my BGs have been steadily rising. Not a lot but enough to have me worried. To-day I have only just managed to stay under 6 when before I was high4/low5 throughout the day.

The main way I have been increasing the fat content of my food has been by using Double Cream so I decided after my +2 lunch reading (5.8 ) to cut out the extra fat I have been having. Having just caught up of this thread I am wondering if I am having the same problem with some dairy products.

One part of me is hoping that this is the explanation for my rising BG levels but the other part is just hoping I come down overnight with a bad cold instead. I so love cream. :(
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I have just decided on a "kill or cure" approach to see what happens. I had my HbA1c bloods done this morning, so am fine about playing around a little. I have just had a 150mls of double cream and 60g of strawberry's making a grand total of 688 calories 6g of carbs. I feel as sick as a dog, but when I test I should have a better idea. I also love cream, but I never want to eat that much all at once again. :sick: We shall see!!
 
The people who talk about the Paleo diet say you are more likely to be able to tolerate goats and sheeps diary than cow's. Any chance that could help?

-M
 
Mileana said:
The people who talk about the Paleo diet say you are more likely to be able to tolerate goats and sheeps diary than cow's. Any chance that could help?

-M
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It could. I have some feta cheese in the fridge, I could try a large portion of that and see what happens (not tonight though :sick: ). The only problem is, I have been reasonably alright with all the cheeses I have tried, so far.
 
I have been OK with what cheese I eat as well Jo but did find that having Greek Yoghurt in the mornings put my readings up and as a result didn't bother getting anymore. I be will going the opposite route to you and cut out the cream. I just wish there was a "one size fits all" solution to this dang diabetes.

I hope the extra portion of cream doesn't have too bad an effect on you.
 
Mileana said:
There is a goats milk farm in york, lol - ask them to bring you some yoghurt.
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That would be ok if I could have goats milk Greek yogurt :lol: Wouldn't you think Greek yogurt would be made with goats milk? Mine isn't it's made with pasteurised cows milk. :(
 
Before cream 6.2
+1 hour 6.1

I am now more confused than I was before. Will the +2 reading make this any clearer? Clear and mud spring to mind. :lol:
 
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