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Dairy produce

Peter5145

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Stockport, Cheshire
Type of diabetes
Type 2
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What's the view on eating dairy produce such as butter and cheese?

The dietary guidelines I've been given are fairly quiet on the subject, so am I OK to assume that these are OK in moderation given that they contain no sugar or carbs?

I'm not a vegetarian myself, but I imagine many veggies would be struggling if they were told to avoid cheese.
 
What's the view on eating dairy produce such as butter and cheese?

The dietary guidelines I've been given are fairly quiet on the subject, so am I OK to assume that these are OK in moderation given that they contain no sugar or carbs?

I'm not a vegetarian myself, but I imagine many veggies would be struggling if they were told to avoid cheese.

Hello and welcome to the forum,

As far as diabetes is concerned you can eat as much dairy as you like apart from milk. Butter, cheese, cream, full fat yogurts, eggs. It is carbohydrate you have to reduce and be very careful of. All carbs convert to glucose once inside the system, and the worst ones are bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, breakfast cereals and anything made with flour. We also need to be careful with fruit.

This site will help you. https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds

I'll tag @daisy1 who has some very useful information for newcomers, so please do read her post.
 
welcome Peter Peter5145 :)

all proteins and fats are to be prefered from carbs , except from what is in vegetables grown over ground...

well almost do avoid corn,potatoes and grain..

avoid fruits , cakes and all sugar and sugary foods...

eat cheese, meat fish (without grain coating ) , fullfat yoghurt, olives , avocadoes , coconut, nuts in general , pork scratchings,
green tea, lemons sqeesed in water, small amounts of berries;strawberry, blueberry rasberry , blackberry preferably eaten with cream or sour cream..
eat tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers all kinds, onions , mushrooms , springleeks

but try to count your grams of carb on a daily basis to aim for under 100 grams and see if that lower your morning blood glucose till a normal non diabetic level or go even lower in total carbs

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb-high-fat-changed-life
 
Butter is good. Much better for you than margarine. Cheese, cream and full fat yoghurt is also good. Don't buy anything low fat or zero fat as they tend to take fat out and replace it with sugar. It is usually the sugar and carbs that raise blood sugar which the body turns into fat. So buying a low fat product will make you fat, whereas the full fat version wont.

See this talk by Sarah Hallberg to understand why you need to eat less carbs and more fat to reverse diabetes.

Basically, the body gets energy from carbs or fat. As you reduce the carbs you eat to reduce your blood sugar, you need to increase fat in your diet to compensate. There is a myth about fat in diet causing heart disease. This turns out to be not true. Check out the film Statin Nation for some background info on this.
 
@Peter5145

Hello Peter and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Fats are fine to eat - it's carbohydrates you need to restrict as they will increase your blood levels. See the link to the Low Carb Program below and you might like to join. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
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Thanks for the replies :)

But this illustrates a problem that a lot of newly diagnosed people will find - conflicting advice.

The official guidelines I've been given advise cutting down on cheese and replacing butter with low-fat spreads, but people here are saying I can be more relaxed about fats but need to place more emphasis on minimising carbs of all kinds.
 
Thanks for the replies :)

But this illustrates a problem that a lot of newly diagnosed people will find - conflicting advice.

The official guidelines I've been given advise cutting down on cheese and replacing butter with low-fat spreads, but people here are saying I can be more relaxed about fats but need to place more emphasis on minimising carbs of all kinds.

Yep there is a whole heap of it out there.. maybe try reading this thread.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/success-stories-and-testimonials.43/
Real accounts of real people with diabetes who have made profound changes to their health.
I try to remember it is me that has Type 2 not my doctor. It is up to me to decide what to do and whether to take medication or not. I have experimented on myself and found what works for me. I can only encourage you to do the same.
 
Thanks for the replies :)

But this illustrates a problem that a lot of newly diagnosed people will find - conflicting advice.

The official guidelines I've been given advise cutting down on cheese and replacing butter with low-fat spreads, but people here are saying I can be more relaxed about fats but need to place more emphasis on minimising carbs of all kinds.

Yes, it is a problem, and until the NHS (via NICE) adopt latest science it will persist. The NHS "eatwell plate" is downright dangerous for diabetics, and they wonder why there is an epidemic.

The low fat advice began many many years ago based on incorrect and mishandled research. We were all brainwashed.

All I can say is try it and see.
 
My diabetes advice person plucked a figure out of the air when she was extoling the virtues of carbohydrates and told us that the number of deaths had dropped by 30 percent for people eating low FAT diets.
No context, no dates, no mention of what they suffered from or were cured of - and she was so defensive I'm not even sure it was true.
If it was true wouldn't there be banner headlines?
 
Yes, you will find conflicting advice. I saw two GPs and a diabetic Nurse within the same week, all from the same surgery, and even from them I got conflicting advice. Two out of three gave me the 'eat carbs with every meal' whereas the third said 'the NHS takes forever to catch up, so take what you are told carefully'. I'm really glad she did. I'm almost three months since diagnosis, and what I've found here is working for me. Looking forward to my next appointment as its with the GP that gave me advice that is working for me.
 
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