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Dawn phenomenon - is it really 02:00 - 08:00?

@Ange G stick to good lchf small frequent food. Supper of alcohol or cheese or nuts or cream. Find what works for you. Good luck
Ps. Fasting diet are for weight loss and if done serverely it mighthelp with insulin resistance eventually.
Liver blocks work now!
 
Thanks ickihun for your advice, I see something on the forum that works for someone like fasting and I try it, then move straight onto something else, Holland & Barrett's profits must up because I've got one of every type of supplement to improve your BG. I think I need to analyse more of my monitor readings and link with what I have eaten or exercised. Additionally, I will try not to stress too much when there is just no reason for my readings to shoot up. I am a little under the weather with a cold and on antibiotics for an infected cycst the size of a plum in my groin however I am thankful that it did not turn out to be a testicle that thought I had grown, lol. Oh!!! this diabetic thing is a blinkin nuisance, I hate not being in control. The only good thing so far is finding this forum and all the lovely people here.
 
 
At Last! I have put my Freestyle Libre sensor on, no idea why I hesitated but I was certainly helped by all the videos available, words seem to just confuse me these days.

What an eye opener, a revelation!

Very respectable single digit numbers AFTER dinner at 19:30, but then at 24:00 (asleep by then) it starts creeping up until I woke at 02:00 when it had reached 12. I ate some nuts and a 0% fat no added sugar yoghurt and went back to sleep. Woke at 04:00 it had dropped to 8 and was stable for a few hours then woke up and it's going up before breakfast. Just going o check my eggs.

Interesting game this diabetes lark. If only . . . . . 20 years ago when I was first diagnosed, I could have achieved so much more with the right directions.
 
Excellent liver block!
Now. Do it again this morning and inbetween lunch and dinner. Low carb snacks with fat rather than protein. As protein can still be stored as glucose.
The aim is to do it without thinking. 3 mths it takes to concrete a new habit.
I'm with you all the way.
 
I'm getting my cream and coffee out for my liver block snacks!
It worked superbly last time.
My hba1c will have increased this time but my next one should prove the point again.
I just need to be consistant and not waver, nor listen to ill advice from dieticians.
 
Had 5 mixed nuts with decaf coffee no cream. Nuts instead.
Working on reducing my insulin need again too. Its a great feeling to know I can make a difference to my fight for excellent control.
 
@DavidGrahamJones Well done for taking the plunge. You now have 2 weeks to see what is happening and when, and to experiment with possible solutions.

When you export your log you will see all the 15 minute readings and will be able to trace when you started to rise, what effect the midnight snack had between eating it and your next scan at 4am and what was happening after that. Maybe you have already done this. I find these 15 minute readings the most educational.
 
I agree. However some peoples cycle is misfiring or too short and have 2 or 3 cycles per day, instead of one.
Shift workers and new mums/dads have forced sleep patrerns and interferred cycles.
 
My DP and WP change according to shifts hubby works.... if its PM its later, f its AM Shift it will jyst be earlier. I think it goes a bit more on the time after we have started to sleep.

My body does not know on a Sunday night whether hubby is getting up earlier or later... but it does know when I go to sleep earlier or later.

I can time my DP and WP more now from the time I go to sleep...

Incidentally I now have chai tea (2 specialobes only for the specific spices and black tea)... I also add extra turmeric,cinammon; ginger and black pepper in as well.

Since doing this extra spice in tea my daily background insulin needs have dropped...very noticeable difference.

Has anybody else noticed this from extra specific spices?
 

The information is invaluable, I'm doing the usual finger stabbing for comparison and although there's a difference and not always in the same direction, the regular 15 minute readings are brilliant. I'm almost tempted to spend all my pocket money on the sensors, but I'm hoping to see a pattern and take action accordingly.

The interesting thing is that my meals don't have much impact in the first 1, 2, 3 or 4 hours. The highs are typically happening after I go to bed but not always.

Exercise makes a big difference if I start the day doing something like golf or a walk (same thing the way I play golf), I get really good numbers all day. Another thing that is interesting (to me) is that I'm currently having Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (self funded, but subsidised). Initially it was to help alleviate the constant pain in my leg and upper arm muscles, (HbOT gives people with MS more energy). I had read some Japanese research that found HbOT reduced insulin resistance in the short term. I can now see that my BG drops the minute I start breathing oxygen and starts going up as soon as I stop, to the minute. Maybe I need some oxygen at home?

As an additional benefit I sleep a lot better as well, still waking for bathroom visits, but I sleep much deeper and have even nodded off in the afternoon for a couple of hours deep sleep with dreams and everything.

I have an appointment with my GP in early February because whatever happens I may need further medication, maybe not (my preference obviously), at least it's up for discussion. What worries me is that without the Libre the doctor may have said start on the Gliclazide again and if I took during the day I would probably go very low during the day, possibly hypo, but still high at night. The HbA1c might show a better number than 58 mmol/mol (12/12/16) but I'd still be spiking high at night.

Definitely need to work out a strategy because even the snack before bed isn't 100% effective.
 
Have you done any research on the effect of protein? If you eat too much, more than your body needs, some of this excess will convert to glucose but not immediately like carbs do. It can take hours for this to happen, even a day sometimes. I'm not saying this is the cause of your night time highs, but it may be worth considering.
 
Nuts used to have a longer lasting effect on putting up my bloods.

Other fats and protein did too. Well into the early hours of the morning. Belly pork rashers even at lunchtime would affect me. Same with peanuts that on one occasion I ate pre gym workout and played havoc later..

I think having a really itemised log book can help enormously. I have an A4 shett of paper with everything on it ie exercise, daily activity, all food, all meds, all bloods, bolus, etc even cos of my bad stomach.. bowel movements! Meds are because they change so much with me and I'm hugely intolerant. Ie just stopped my cancer tablet couple weeks ago due to horrendous side effects and my bloods and basal insulin needs plummeted...
The most detailed log sheets help me to recognise difficult foods, meds easier...
 
I never get it. I go to bed mid 4's to mid 5's and wake up mid 4's to mid 5's. During the night it's anything between those numbers. I do fast from my last meal at 430 pm to when I get up, 7 am so a good 15 hours before I eat again. Big breakfast, most carbs of the day, then medium lunch and smallest meal of the day is dinner. Works for me. My A1c has been 4.7 the last two times I checked. Maybe for some it's late protein rises? I mean if you eat at 9 pm and get DP at 2 am as someone mentioned, could be late spike?
 
I have never ate later than 6pm and mine I know is based from time I drop off to sleep.

However..... as I cant tolerate cancer tablet I decided to add more spices in to my chai tea. It already has cinammon etc in it. I add in extra turmeric, extra cinammon, extra ginger and black pepper.

Have added extra cinammon in since 5th January.

The first week of adding this in and coming off my cancer tablet threw me in to hypo's. being on tresiba I have had to give time to lower and correct the hypos.

Last night I decided to basal test until 6pm tonight.
I have already dropped basal ftom 11.5 and now down to 9.5 since 5th.

Yesterday morning and this morning I have had the best results on mdi with my bloods in the mornings.

Today:7am 5.3
8am 7.4
9am 6.6
10am 6.7
11.30 5.9
12.00 5.9
1pm 5.7
2pm dropped to 4.7 and needed to drive so ate and stopped testing.

I truly believe that the anti cancer tablet created even more hell for me but also the cinammon (even though I'm a type 1) has greatly reduced my DP and WP. My tea last night was 3 teaspoons of homemade curry sauce, broccoli and courgette.

Just three months ago I was having to have 4 injections before getting out of bed, starting at 4am. This morn I just had my tresiba and 2.5 units of novorapid...

There is only these two factors different. The tablet I only had for a year and although DP and WP got worse during that time, I have always had the problem for 30+ years.

I tried tresiba before too and it was decided it wasnt suitable, so the only real significance in this is the cinammon. I have had turmeric and ginger for 15 months...
 
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