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<blockquote data-quote="NewdestinyX" data-source="post: 212787" data-attributes="member: 35544"><p><strong>Re: DAY 1</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah.. I don't always agree with Sid - but he's spot on on this one, Kenny. Each 'fall off the wagon' - at least in terms of THIS diet -- is a start over.. The only way ultra lo carb or this calorie diet really works is to empty the liver of glycogen for at least a two week period. Without that - the body never starts burning fat. The liver can hold from 4-6 lbs of glycogen attached to water. This is what people often, not quite accurately, call 'water weight' that can go up and down by 3-5 pounds sometimes even in ONE DAY.. Though usually it's over 2-3 days. You're not really burning any fat off your liver or pancreas or your belly until the the liver is 'empty' of 'stored' glycogen (sugar) + water. It's never fully empty - obviously - but the 'induction phase' of any of these types of diets don't start working until the liver is empty of glycogen. </p><p></p><p>I tell people my 'real weight' - which is the 'liver empty' weight. But if I splurge -- the 'liver full of glycogen', for me, is 4 lbs (2kg or so) more than my real weight.. It's kind of cool -- that whether I'm 109kg or 111kg my pants fit the same. That's why I alway quote the lower of the two numbers as my real weight - since while moderate carbing -- I can fluctuate in a two day period between 1-3kg and my clothes fit the same.</p><p></p><p>So - each time you 'refill your liver' - you have to start all over again.</p><p></p><p>This is why I think you need to take a LONG view of your 'recovery' from carb addiction. These 'extreme' diets almost NEVER work for people like us - no matter our determination. And you keep referring to eating 'off' your diet for your 'wifes' sake. People who do VERY STRICT diets need family members to ALSO eat LIKE THEY DO for a long period or it almost NEVER works out. If your wife wants to participate - you have half a chance. If not -- then you should try a different version - like Sid's saying of either very lo carb -- or what I do - which is normal lo carb.. 70-90kg.day (some call that moderate -- but it's really 'low' by most definitions). I eat a little of all foods I like -- even pizza - but I eat mostly the toppings. I use a little rapid acting insulin to cover for them and I'm still losing weight. I think that would be a better approach for you in the long run. You can get to the same finish line -- it will just take a couple of years -- as it has for me. And you won't have that -- OH SHOOT - I HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN TODAY -- feeling of 'guilt' or' failure. Diets don't work. Lifestyle changes -- done 'moderately -- DO work. All or nothing approaches aren't good - in the long run -mostly because we just can't 'do them'. Humanly...</p><p></p><p>I'll support you whatever you do.. But be honest with yourself, bro. That's the best approach!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NewdestinyX, post: 212787, member: 35544"] [b]Re: DAY 1[/b] Yeah.. I don't always agree with Sid - but he's spot on on this one, Kenny. Each 'fall off the wagon' - at least in terms of THIS diet -- is a start over.. The only way ultra lo carb or this calorie diet really works is to empty the liver of glycogen for at least a two week period. Without that - the body never starts burning fat. The liver can hold from 4-6 lbs of glycogen attached to water. This is what people often, not quite accurately, call 'water weight' that can go up and down by 3-5 pounds sometimes even in ONE DAY.. Though usually it's over 2-3 days. You're not really burning any fat off your liver or pancreas or your belly until the the liver is 'empty' of 'stored' glycogen (sugar) + water. It's never fully empty - obviously - but the 'induction phase' of any of these types of diets don't start working until the liver is empty of glycogen. I tell people my 'real weight' - which is the 'liver empty' weight. But if I splurge -- the 'liver full of glycogen', for me, is 4 lbs (2kg or so) more than my real weight.. It's kind of cool -- that whether I'm 109kg or 111kg my pants fit the same. That's why I alway quote the lower of the two numbers as my real weight - since while moderate carbing -- I can fluctuate in a two day period between 1-3kg and my clothes fit the same. So - each time you 'refill your liver' - you have to start all over again. This is why I think you need to take a LONG view of your 'recovery' from carb addiction. These 'extreme' diets almost NEVER work for people like us - no matter our determination. And you keep referring to eating 'off' your diet for your 'wifes' sake. People who do VERY STRICT diets need family members to ALSO eat LIKE THEY DO for a long period or it almost NEVER works out. If your wife wants to participate - you have half a chance. If not -- then you should try a different version - like Sid's saying of either very lo carb -- or what I do - which is normal lo carb.. 70-90kg.day (some call that moderate -- but it's really 'low' by most definitions). I eat a little of all foods I like -- even pizza - but I eat mostly the toppings. I use a little rapid acting insulin to cover for them and I'm still losing weight. I think that would be a better approach for you in the long run. You can get to the same finish line -- it will just take a couple of years -- as it has for me. And you won't have that -- OH SHOOT - I HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN TODAY -- feeling of 'guilt' or' failure. Diets don't work. Lifestyle changes -- done 'moderately -- DO work. All or nothing approaches aren't good - in the long run -mostly because we just can't 'do them'. Humanly... I'll support you whatever you do.. But be honest with yourself, bro. That's the best approach! [/QUOTE]
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