SueJB
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Agree but don't think smacking's allowed, how about a wallop?
Agree but don't think smacking's allowed, how about a wallop?Her advice on Metformin is possibly why so many people think that it actively lowers their blood glucose to the extent that they can carry on eating all the foods they always have but in smaller quantities. If the lady is a trained HCP then someone needs to take her to one side and have a quiet word.... or a small smack.
I had to hit the like button although I found the situation appalling. I think I'd have had the same response and kept quiet and then home and had a good rant. I really do expect people who run training courses to be more knowledgeable than course participants. They want to put me on a Daphne!! Shan't go!
Although from what I gather the DAFNE courses for Type 1's are far better. Might be worth it..You might want to ask in the Type 1 forum for people's experiences of them.I had to hit the like button although I found the situation appalling. I think I'd have had the same response and kept quiet and then home and had a good rant. I really do expect people who run training courses to be more knowledgeable than course participants. They want to put me on a Daphne!! Shan't go!
We done it again...!The T1 course is different, I believe. I have read on here that it covers things like carb counting etc. So you may find it useful.
Although from what I gather the DAFNE courses for Type 1's are far better. Might be worth it..You might want to ask in the Type 1 forum for people's experiences of them.
What a comedy duo we'd be..Beat you to it for once.
Thanks, I might not have a mardy then and go. I apologise from not really knowing what a DESMOND course was. I assumed DAFNE for the girlies and DESMOND for the guysThe T1 course is different, I believe. I have read on here that it covers things like carb counting etc. So you may find it useful.
YES!!! Dr B versus the NHS - no contest!It did make me realise how much I actually knew already (mainly from the Atkins diet and Dr Bernstein in those days)
No need to apologise. I learn so much about the whole diabetes problem.@SueJB - I would really urge you to attend the DAFNE course. Lots of T1s rave about it, and aside from the valuable content, they find meeting other T1s, face to face, very worthwhile.
Also noteworthy is should you ever want to have a pump, my understanding is, you must have completed a carb-counting course prior to being considered. If you get it under your belt now, you've ticked that box already.
Of course, completing a carb counting course isn't the only criteria, but it would be frustrating to want one and qualify in all other respects.
Apologies, @rab5 . I won't deflect your thread any further. Hopefully your course will serve you some purpose.
@SueJB
Also noteworthy is should you ever want to have a pump, my understanding is, you must have completed a carb-counting course prior to being considered. If you get it under your belt now, you've ticked that box already.
Of course, completing a carb counting course isn't the only criteria, but it would be frustrating to want one and qualify in all other respects.
I have just done the xpert course. The leader was really nice, but didn't really know much.
She was t1d and told us that it was all our own fault. Not in so many words, but she did say that she keeps telling her husband that if he does not watch his weight he will end up with t2d.
She said that there are no long term studies of lchf, didn't know about its use for other health problems or why its a good idea.
She said take metformin with food because it works on the food response (?) and that it is useless to take it without food. Not because of tummy problems, but because of the insulin response!
She took time to explain the starvation mode (I kid you not) and said that t2ds must not use intermittent fasting.
She said that we could eat up to 260grms carbs a day, but less was ok. But not too much less. But we needed to eat carbs because that is brain food.
She said we can eat anything we like, so long as we don't eat too much. No mention of carb craving, hunger response etc.
She di9dnt know anything about reasons for t2d, except we are all fat. Not everyone in class is overweight. I am not, but she made no mention of that)
She did give us all a glucose metre and said she would ensure we all get given strips. Hurray!! But then said we only need to test once or in exceptional circumstances, twice a month. Not a day. A month. How that helps I am not sure.
On the other hand she did explain food labels, which was correct.
It has taken nearly a year to get on this course, and I am so glad for the delay. If I had got on it at the beginning I would not have gone looking for myself and found this forum, Jason fung and keto.
I did start out thinking I was going to argue, but decided not to--not because I am shy but because I think that for about 2/3 of the class this was probably the only input they have had into t2d. Some of us had already done a fair bit of digging, but most had not. Some had never heard of carbohydrates although we all had heard of calories.
Nothing I said was going to make any difference to her and it would have confused some of the others. I did disagree with her on the section about carbs and fasting, but she just skated over the bits I disagreed with--and just carried on.
My experience has just shown me that no one size fits all. Some people needed a great deal more than the few classes that were offered and some (like me) probably didn't need any. It is not a good system but is better than nothing.
There is a written appraisal and I will be honest. But I don't think much will change. It takes actual money to change anything. And as long as the nhs is willing to pay for this rubbish it will keep getting pushed on us as helpful.
Strangely enough, the book was far more helpful, more balanced and much more up to date. Think there might be a problem with the training.
Sorry, not a funny response!!!
By all means make your feelings known but if your course is anything like mine there will be some people on the course who will need the basic information. Don't be surprised if they don't want to spend much time discussing low carb when some people don't know what carbohydrates are, have never read a nutrition label, let alone understand there are conflicting opinions about diet.I have ordered a hannibal lectre mask. This for my own safety and the safety of the instructors. I can be a bit gubby sometimes, but I dont think I will keep quiet. I will mention this site Ad nauseam.... with the intention that if one person comes here and is treated the way I have been treated. Gets the info I have been able to gleen!!!, well that will have been a complete success.
Thats the plan........ being compliant... its not my bag!
Based on many posts over the years a good deal of any diabetes course content will be useless NHS advice, but some trainers are up to date and good and there will always be good points. Be prepared to bite your lip and either keep quiet or argue; your choice. I'm glad I've never been invited to any course by my surgery in 15 years but I'm a nerdy 'know it all'!
I had to hit the like button although I found the situation appalling. I think I'd have had the same response and kept quiet and then home and had a good rant. I really do expect people who run training courses to be more knowledgeable than course participants. They want to put me on a Daphne!! Shan't go!
My dad is Type 1 - he's really educated and informed and always has been, he found Daphne incredibly useful. He raves about it years later. Maybe it's not the absolute waste of time the type 2 courses seem to be.
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