His apology was only ‘sorry I made you upset’ so pretty week when you look at the context of it all. And of course he had to apologise to cover his back when it becomes a HR matter.
Seems a lot of people on here seem to think this behaviour is okay which surprises me and you shouldn’t stand up for yourself.
To be fair you did ask the question if you were over reacting - whilst I agree it was unpleasant and yes he shouldn't have mentioned your condition in front of your colleagues I still think you are hugely overreacting and possibly not getting the advice from some forum members you want to hear.Evening all,
So just wondered:
- Am I overreacting? Should I just draw a line under it?
- What sort of grievance should be approached? Formal/ In formal?
- Should I seek legal action?
- Has anyone been in this scenario?
Thanks for reading and look forward to your responses!
Cheers
Rick
Edited by Mod
Hi Rick,Evening all,
Hope you’re good!
Apologies in advance for the essay.
So I’m reaching out for advice and to also understand if anyone has been through this before and what you would do in this scenario.
I work as an account manager for a media agency and the people that need to know I have type 1 diabetes are aware of this.
Basically this morning I encountered a situation which made me feel degraded, ashamed and angry.
This month I got my reminder letters for my appointments via text, as you do, and emailed the senior members of the team to let them know my appointment dates and times. One was retinal screening which was last week, the other the appointment with a specialist at the clinic.
So this morning I added a calendar invite for my appointment on Thursday at 11:30 and sent to the necessary people. The appointment actually coincided with is meeting with a provider which ran 9:00-13:00, however didn’t see an issue as I’d already previously let management know of this, so they were aware and send someone instead of me.
No longer than 10 minutes after the diary invite, one of the directors (who is not even a line manager of mine) came over with no subtlety and said ‘what’s this appointment on Thursday’ (in front of other members of staff) ‘we’ve got a meeting on Thursday which I can’t attend’. I said it’s my appointment for my diabetes - now declaring something I like to keep private in front of others - and he said ‘can you change it? When did you find out about it?’. I’m there thinking well I already made you aware of it last week. I said I couldn’t change it and he was like ‘******* ****’ and you could tell he was ****** off. I said I can’t help that I have to go to the things, and he was like ‘yeh i understand but we need to think about these meetings etc.’
So as he was going on I said ‘I’m going to stop you there, I don’t appreciate how you’re speaking to me right now, and I’m going to leave the office before I get any more upset’.
I went and sat in the bathroom for like 30 mins wondering what has just gone on. On the verge of tears I was shaking and ashamed and annoyed.
He emailed shortly after to apologise but I didn’t read it. Three of my colleagues heard this and said they were shocked and couldn’t believe his reaction.
Just want to add in here that upon reading the ‘sorry’ email it was only to say he didn’t mean to upset me and still more of a rant about me not being able to make the meeting.
I spoke to ACAS and they said this is disability discrimination.
So I filed a grievance with HR as this is not acceptable. We shouldn’t be spoke to like that in the workplace full stop, and certainly not for having a medical condition.
They (ACAS) also said I could take this further and seek legal action.
What’s more difficult is I don’t want to go back to work to see him now either as I’m walking on egg shells and I don’t want to work for a company that allows this.
What’s even more ironic is that it’s ‘wellness’ week at work and I’ve been made to feel degraded in front of my peers!
So just wondered:
- Am I overreacting? Should I just draw a line under it?
- What sort of grievance should be approached? Formal/ In formal?
- Should I seek legal action?
- Has anyone been in this scenario?
Thanks for reading and look forward to your responses!
Cheers
Rick
Edited by Mod
I appreciate you are still upset, but there is a huge gulf between what is being advised on here, and your statement I have quoted above.Seems a lot of people on here seem to think this behaviour is okay which surprises me and you shouldn’t stand up for yourself.
If you read through the responses, you'll see that nobody thinks his behaviour was acceptable. However very few (very experienced) people think that taking this all the way up to legal proceedings is a good idea.Seems a lot of people on here seem to think this behaviour is okay which surprises me and you shouldn’t stand up for yourself.
- Taken from the ACAS website, and I think you could deem that you have experienced that in this case.When unwanted conduct related to a person's disability causes a distressing, humiliating or offensive environment for that person.
Hi @tim2000s ,If you read through the responses, you'll see that nobody thinks his behaviour was acceptable. However very few (very experienced) people think that taking this all the way up to legal proceedings is a good idea.
Discrimination in any form includes a definition of "Harassment":
- Taken from the ACAS website, and I think you could deem that you have experienced that in this case.
The ACAS website also recommends that it is best to talk to your employer first and try and resolve the problem informally, which it appears you are now beyond.
In almost every case I can find, a discrimination complain is upheld only if it happens again after a complaint has been made to the employer and it can be proven that the employer has not done enough to stop it happening again. In addition, the recommendation is always to take both employer and employee to a tribunal.
Can I ask what outcome you want from taking this further?
I think you have a ****** manager and you’re overreacting. Was he one of those that got your first message a week ago? Is there a reason it didn’t go in the diary then? When was the meeting set? All relevant. He then handled approaching you badly. I totally understand the upset, shaking, leaving the office and calling him out. I’m not sure why you should feel ashamed for his actions or your diabetes though. I understand your not replying to his apology but not reading it at all wasn’t helpful.Evening all,
Hope you’re good!
Apologies in advance for the essay.
So I’m reaching out for advice and to also understand if anyone has been through this before and what you would do in this scenario.
I work as an account manager for a media agency and the people that need to know I have type 1 diabetes are aware of this.
Basically this morning I encountered a situation which made me feel degraded, ashamed and angry.
This month I got my reminder letters for my appointments via text, as you do, and emailed the senior members of the team to let them know my appointment dates and times. One was retinal screening which was last week, the other the appointment with a specialist at the clinic.
So this morning I added a calendar invite for my appointment on Thursday at 11:30 and sent to the necessary people. The appointment actually coincided with is meeting with a provider which ran 9:00-13:00, however didn’t see an issue as I’d already previously let management know of this, so they were aware and send someone instead of me.
No longer than 10 minutes after the diary invite, one of the directors (who is not even a line manager of mine) came over with no subtlety and said ‘what’s this appointment on Thursday’ (in front of other members of staff) ‘we’ve got a meeting on Thursday which I can’t attend’. I said it’s my appointment for my diabetes - now declaring something I like to keep private in front of others - and he said ‘can you change it? When did you find out about it?’. I’m there thinking well I already made you aware of it last week. I said I couldn’t change it and he was like ‘******* ****’ and you could tell he was ****** off. I said I can’t help that I have to go to the things, and he was like ‘yeh i understand but we need to think about these meetings etc.’
So as he was going on I said ‘I’m going to stop you there, I don’t appreciate how you’re speaking to me right now, and I’m going to leave the office before I get any more upset’.
I went and sat in the bathroom for like 30 mins wondering what has just gone on. On the verge of tears I was shaking and ashamed and annoyed.
He emailed shortly after to apologise but I didn’t read it. Three of my colleagues heard this and said they were shocked and couldn’t believe his reaction.
Just want to add in here that upon reading the ‘sorry’ email it was only to say he didn’t mean to upset me and still more of a rant about me not being able to make the meeting.
I spoke to ACAS and they said this is disability discrimination.
So I filed a grievance with HR as this is not acceptable. We shouldn’t be spoke to like that in the workplace full stop, and certainly not for having a medical condition.
They (ACAS) also said I could take this further and seek legal action.
What’s more difficult is I don’t want to go back to work to see him now either as I’m walking on egg shells and I don’t want to work for a company that allows this.
What’s even more ironic is that it’s ‘wellness’ week at work and I’ve been made to feel degraded in front of my peers!
So just wondered:
- Am I overreacting? Should I just draw a line under it?
- What sort of grievance should be approached? Formal/ In formal?
- Should I seek legal action?
- Has anyone been in this scenario?
Thanks for reading and look forward to your responses!
Cheers
Rick
Edited by Mod
His apology was only ‘sorry I made you upset’ so pretty week when you look at the context of it all. And of course he had to apologise to cover his back when it becomes a HR matter.
Seems a lot of people on here seem to think this behaviour is okay which surprises me and you shouldn’t stand up for yourself.
Hi @tim2000s ,
That's a good point to be honest, not really sure what the outcome would be. Just to be spoken to with respect in the place of work and not be humiliated/ outed in front of peers. After having time to think about it and spending the day at home I'm just gonna draw a line under it as basically can't be bothered going through the effort of it all and don't see a long term future there anyway.
Hi @tim2000s ,
That's a good point to be honest, not really sure what the outcome would be. Just to be spoken to with respect in the place of work and not be humiliated/ outed in front of peers. After having time to think about it and spending the day at home I'm just gonna draw a line under it as basically can't be bothered going through the effort of it all and don't see a long term future there anyway.
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