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<blockquote data-quote="ickihun" data-source="post: 1231417" data-attributes="member: 196960"><p>So are we sure no over-weight (visceral fat) diabetic who has more fat than their threshold has had reversal?</p><p>I'd love to see the studies to investigate that!</p><p></p><p>I believe the 'different kind of fat' theory.</p><p>Wrong fat cells. Until those cells are killed off. I won't waiver from the belief that over our lifetime you accumulate the wrong fat cell. Some more than others. The older we get the more we accumulate.</p><p>That is why fat cell making, in the wrong way (too much carbohydrates) is the cause of diabetes. Once you make that cell it cannot be destroyed. </p><p>Gestational diabetes -hormones change the formula of the mothers fat making cell. </p><p>Hormones are an antagonist. </p><p>Woman and men get diabetes in later years. (Tired pancreas and wrong fat cells which have accumulated over the years).</p><p>Hereditary diabetes is the wrong fat making gene (thrifty gene).</p><p>Genes can mutate over evolution.</p><p></p><p>And here we are feeding our children carbs as nhs says you need them.</p><p>Like a heroine addicted person, if you stop suddenly you have further problems.</p><p>Carb addiction needs to be medically supervised and weaned off. I believe metformin and other drugs can support that.</p><p></p><p>Diabetes type 2 is stronger in people who have the most accumulated wrong fat. (Insulin resistant). If you have it a little bit you can put it in remission/reversal. Once you eat carbs, in excess to make that wrong fat cell. It cannot be destroyed and when you empty that fat cell it helps with IR but that cell is just waiting to be filled and an additional wrong fat cell is keen to be created. Over the period too many wrong fat cells prevent diabetes going into reversal. A very very difficult job.</p><p>Gastric surgery only removes the stomach size. Less carbs to be absorbed into the wrong fat. Patients with less than their wrong fat threshold can put diabetes in remission/reversal.</p><p>I have too many wrong fat cells and society advocates carb eating.</p><p>I reduce my carb intake so I create less additional wrong fat cells. I'd need help to get rid of all my wrong fat cells.</p><p>If a person only has the wrong fat cells, how would destroying wrong cells help?</p><p>I'm sure replacing good fat cells (lchf) can allow someone or something to destroy wrong cells only , leaving good cells. Which we all need.</p><p>Any sign of this treatment for type 2 diabetes? Not in my lifetime????</p><p></p><p>Predisposed gestational diabetes, would need embroys/cells cleaned of thrifty gene for decades and gene to mutate naturally after that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ickihun, post: 1231417, member: 196960"] So are we sure no over-weight (visceral fat) diabetic who has more fat than their threshold has had reversal? I'd love to see the studies to investigate that! I believe the 'different kind of fat' theory. Wrong fat cells. Until those cells are killed off. I won't waiver from the belief that over our lifetime you accumulate the wrong fat cell. Some more than others. The older we get the more we accumulate. That is why fat cell making, in the wrong way (too much carbohydrates) is the cause of diabetes. Once you make that cell it cannot be destroyed. Gestational diabetes -hormones change the formula of the mothers fat making cell. Hormones are an antagonist. Woman and men get diabetes in later years. (Tired pancreas and wrong fat cells which have accumulated over the years). Hereditary diabetes is the wrong fat making gene (thrifty gene). Genes can mutate over evolution. And here we are feeding our children carbs as nhs says you need them. Like a heroine addicted person, if you stop suddenly you have further problems. Carb addiction needs to be medically supervised and weaned off. I believe metformin and other drugs can support that. Diabetes type 2 is stronger in people who have the most accumulated wrong fat. (Insulin resistant). If you have it a little bit you can put it in remission/reversal. Once you eat carbs, in excess to make that wrong fat cell. It cannot be destroyed and when you empty that fat cell it helps with IR but that cell is just waiting to be filled and an additional wrong fat cell is keen to be created. Over the period too many wrong fat cells prevent diabetes going into reversal. A very very difficult job. Gastric surgery only removes the stomach size. Less carbs to be absorbed into the wrong fat. Patients with less than their wrong fat threshold can put diabetes in remission/reversal. I have too many wrong fat cells and society advocates carb eating. I reduce my carb intake so I create less additional wrong fat cells. I'd need help to get rid of all my wrong fat cells. If a person only has the wrong fat cells, how would destroying wrong cells help? I'm sure replacing good fat cells (lchf) can allow someone or something to destroy wrong cells only , leaving good cells. Which we all need. Any sign of this treatment for type 2 diabetes? Not in my lifetime???? Predisposed gestational diabetes, would need embroys/cells cleaned of thrifty gene for decades and gene to mutate naturally after that. [/QUOTE]
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