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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2382905" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>The NICE guidelines state a non-diabetic response is under 7.8 (<a href="https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html" target="_blank">https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html</a>):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]48334[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>You can hear a practicing Doctor state this in the video referenced here - circa 11 mins 20 seconds:</p><p><a href="https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/chip-shop-chips.180713/#post-2382767" target="_blank">https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/chip-shop-chips.180713/#post-2382767</a></p><p></p><p>I don't understand your next point, but in general it is obvious and proven that a high carb meal produces a higher spike than a protein / fat lower carb; this has been proven scientifically and with anecdotes (some practical Libre results in "Fat Fiction" on Amazon). It is well known that a HbA1c can be misleading as to how it was achieved. David Bobbett, the backer of Ivor Cummins had a great A1c (I think from memory 5.2), but closer inspection showed massive post-prandial diabetic spiking, anyway this is a mute point as it is Cyrus who offers up the 175.</p><p>Although this point is around Mastering Diabetes a colleague of his also John McDougall, accepts high sugars (which I am saying is not acceptable):</p><p><a href="https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/dec/diabetes.htm" target="_blank">https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/dec/diabetes.htm</a></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]48336[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The after photos are much better than the before's, the fat loss will make them much healthier than the starting point, so I congratulate them on that, but I have to be honest and say the results I see on YouTube are a concern, and the long term Doctors do not in my view look healthy.</p><p></p><p>I believe the 20% who I feel could get these numbers is over generous for those who specifically have Type 2, we don't know the full regime, i.e. are they severely calorie restricted or able to eat like me (2 course breakfast, up to 3 course dinner). I think this is relevant as many including me have tried clean higher carb and go backwards. My rationale is that I believe for "regular" Type 2 which is a carbohydrate intolerance, I can't see how this can be fixed on carbs, but some Type 2 is not "regular", so there needs to be room for those outliers.</p><p></p><p>I would recommend you view Paul Saladino's YouTube discussion with Joel Fuhrman; I feel sure you know of Joel, his statements on the types of foods on Master Diabetes is interesting, considering he is on the same side:</p><p>"Animal-Based vs. Plant-Based, a friendly debate with Joel Fuhrman, MD"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2382905, member: 256617"] The NICE guidelines state a non-diabetic response is under 7.8 ([URL]https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html[/URL]): [ATTACH=full]48334[/ATTACH] You can hear a practicing Doctor state this in the video referenced here - circa 11 mins 20 seconds: [URL]https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/chip-shop-chips.180713/#post-2382767[/URL] I don't understand your next point, but in general it is obvious and proven that a high carb meal produces a higher spike than a protein / fat lower carb; this has been proven scientifically and with anecdotes (some practical Libre results in "Fat Fiction" on Amazon). It is well known that a HbA1c can be misleading as to how it was achieved. David Bobbett, the backer of Ivor Cummins had a great A1c (I think from memory 5.2), but closer inspection showed massive post-prandial diabetic spiking, anyway this is a mute point as it is Cyrus who offers up the 175. Although this point is around Mastering Diabetes a colleague of his also John McDougall, accepts high sugars (which I am saying is not acceptable): [URL]https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/dec/diabetes.htm[/URL] [ATTACH=full]48336[/ATTACH] The after photos are much better than the before's, the fat loss will make them much healthier than the starting point, so I congratulate them on that, but I have to be honest and say the results I see on YouTube are a concern, and the long term Doctors do not in my view look healthy. I believe the 20% who I feel could get these numbers is over generous for those who specifically have Type 2, we don't know the full regime, i.e. are they severely calorie restricted or able to eat like me (2 course breakfast, up to 3 course dinner). I think this is relevant as many including me have tried clean higher carb and go backwards. My rationale is that I believe for "regular" Type 2 which is a carbohydrate intolerance, I can't see how this can be fixed on carbs, but some Type 2 is not "regular", so there needs to be room for those outliers. I would recommend you view Paul Saladino's YouTube discussion with Joel Fuhrman; I feel sure you know of Joel, his statements on the types of foods on Master Diabetes is interesting, considering he is on the same side: "Animal-Based vs. Plant-Based, a friendly debate with Joel Fuhrman, MD" [/QUOTE]
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