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didnt want to be diabetic!!!

lisakerry05

Newbie
Messages
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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi, think I need help, I was diagnosed with type 2 bout 18 months ago, but didnt want to acknowledge it, so i didnt take my oral medication. However 3 weeks ago I was hospitalised with flue type A, I have never felt so ill, part of my tests were obviously blood tests, which showed high levels of sugar, as a result my blood sugar was tested nearly every hour, sometimes it was as high as 29 even with the oral meds they prescribed and injected insulin. This made me face my type 2 diagnosis, since leaving hospital I have been provided with a blood sugar testing kit, and having to test my levels at various times threw the day keeping a diary, however today I had a 28.2 result, most have ranged form 15 to 22 at the highest, this has disheartened me severely, and now I feel that I dont want to eat and am almost afraid to eat, as with my meds and diet my readings are so different every time and dont seem to be going down, Its been 3 weeks since I came out of hospital, how quick do these meds (Gliclazide) take to work? and when you take a reading does it take into account what you have eaten the previous day or is it just when you do the test ie... before food, 2 hours after? I have made another appointment with my diabetic nurse, but wondered if anyone could relate to me or help me
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. This is a great place for support and advice.

I'll tag @daisy1 for a new member post for you.

@Boo1979 I know has taken gliclazide for a long time so hopefully she can shed some light.

When you test with a meter it is normally a snap shot of where you are at that moment. This will include how you react to food, stress, medication,sleep,non-diabetes related illness and exercise etc.

It's great you are keeping a record/diary or your readings. Stick with it and you will start to see patterns of how you respond to the different factors.
 
Welcome to the forum. I'm type 2, no meds so can't help with that part. I'm sure others will be along shortly to provide advice. I, and many on this forum, control blood glucose (BG) with diet (low carb or keto). Tagging @daisy1 who will provide newbie info. Have a look around. You'll find a lot of useful information on this forum.
 
Hi, think I need help, I was diagnosed with type 2 bout 18 months ago, but didnt want to acknowledge it, so i didnt take my oral medication. However 3 weeks ago I was hospitalised with flue type A, I have never felt so ill, part of my tests were obviously blood tests, which showed high levels of sugar, as a result my blood sugar was tested nearly every hour, sometimes it was as high as 29 even with the oral meds they prescribed and injected insulin. This made me face my type 2 diagnosis, since leaving hospital I have been provided with a blood sugar testing kit, and having to test my levels at various times threw the day keeping a diary, however today I had a 28.2 result, most have ranged form 15 to 22 at the highest, this has disheartened me severely, and now I feel that I dont want to eat and am almost afraid to eat, as with my meds and diet my readings are so different every time and dont seem to be going down, Its been 3 weeks since I came out of hospital, how quick do these meds (Gliclazide) take to work? and when you take a reading does it take into account what you have eaten the previous day or is it just when you do the test ie... before food, 2 hours after? I have made another appointment with my diabetic nurse, but wondered if anyone could relate to me or help me

Hi Lisa, Please don't panic. I know this is daunting and difficult at first. Believe me, it does improve by a large margin. There is a lot of help and support here available from people who have already been through the mill and come out the other side.

You haven't mentioned anything about your diet. Unfortunately, drugs like Metformin and Gliclazide only assist the body and in no way can compensate for what you decide to put in your belly. It is essential to reduce carbohydrate laden foods asap and make up the rest with proteins and fats. Read through the board and Daisy's brief. You also haven't mentioned if you are overweight. If so, lose it. It absolutely makes a whopping difference.

Take care,
Glenn
 
they prescribed and injected insulin.

Are you on insulin? What insulin? What dose? Please be cautious about adjusting your diet to reduce carbohydrate as your insulin dose may be designed to deal with carbs in your diet and reducing carbs eaten will risk hypos
 
50shades - Copy.png Welcome dear Lisa , it is possible to learn to control this and get your blood sugars back to normal . You need to learn to count the grams of carbs in your food , the most easy way to get control is to start with a breakfast hardly without carbs like eggs , ham and cheese NO bread or if you want something like bread then buy lidls protein rolls (only contain around 9 grams of carbs

Tomatoes and cucumbers also only contains very little carbs

Avocado is fantastic and so are olives and nuts and peanuts

So there are foods you can eat plenty of also lots of treats if you learn which and how to make them , in this cheme hu can see What the truely normal levels are in the green area , initially it is looks impossible But to most it is possible to gain control in 1-2 month when they do count their intake of arvs and stay under 100-150 grams in total in a day some needs to go lower please try this and you’ll feel much better soon
 
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@lisakerry05 are you injecting insulin or were you discharged from hospital on tablet and diet control instructions only?

We really need to know as the difference in advice can be huge.

Gliclizide tablets force the pancreas to produce more insulin. I was on Gliclizide for a few years before pregnancies. On trying for children I was taken off Gliclizide for safety to the fetus and better control on injected insulin.
Gliclizide can also cause hypos.
Do you know what a hypo is?
 
@lisakerry05

Hello Lisa and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi, think I need help, I was diagnosed with type 2 bout 18 months ago, but didnt want to acknowledge it, so i didnt take my oral medication. However 3 weeks ago I was hospitalised with flue type A, I have never felt so ill, part of my tests were obviously blood tests, which showed high levels of sugar, as a result my blood sugar was tested nearly every hour, sometimes it was as high as 29 even with the oral meds they prescribed and injected insulin. This made me face my type 2 diagnosis, since leaving hospital I have been provided with a blood sugar testing kit, and having to test my levels at various times threw the day keeping a diary, however today I had a 28.2 result, most have ranged form 15 to 22 at the highest, this has disheartened me severely, and now I feel that I dont want to eat and am almost afraid to eat, as with my meds and diet my readings are so different every time and dont seem to be going down, Its been 3 weeks since I came out of hospital, how quick do these meds (Gliclazide) take to work? and when you take a reading does it take into account what you have eaten the previous day or is it just when you do the test ie... before food, 2 hours after? I have made another appointment with my diabetic nurse, but wondered if anyone could relate to me or help me

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

I was diagnosed two weeks ago, and like you, it was following a bout of flu that put me in hospital. My blood sugar was 27.5 and. I admit, I was scared senseless. I found this site within two hours of returning home and read through @daisy1 post and listened to all the great advice that was offered. Then I emptied my cupboards and went shopping as I decided to go the LCHF route. Two weeks later my bloods are between 5-8 through the day.

Whatever route you choose, being here on this forum will not only give you hope, but also a clearer sense of the choices you have.

Good luck :)
 
Hi and welcome to the forum
Reading your post, It looks like you are currently just on Gliclazide and that insulin was only administered in hospital to bring your sugars down during the acute infection?. I can only really comment re Gliclazide as my experience of insulin is limited - as others have said, the situation will be different if you are on insulin or any other diabetes meds as well.
I was also diagnosed in hospital with an infection (foot) and had sugars of 28 on admission so was put straight onto an insulin pump before (eventually) being able to change to Gliclazide, which Ive now been on for 21 years
Gliclazide works by stimulating the pancreas to produce more of its own insulin and also has some effect on the way it does so. As long as your pancreas is still able to produce insulin, then Gliclazide will start to effect that immediately but that will not always produce a massive effect on your blood sugars on its own as for many Type 2’s there is an additional complicating factor which is insulin resistance which makes it harder for insulin to get sugar out of the blood and into the cells where it can be used
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_resistance
There are tests that can be done (c peptide) to guage how much insulin your pancreas is able to produce.
Weight lose can help both the pancreas and with insulin resistance
In terms of testing, the best way To use a meter is to be quite structured initially and use it as a tool to see what effect individual foods / meals have on your sugars and to then exclude those that cause a v big rise, limit those that produce a more modest rise and base your diet around those that produce a rise of less than about 2mmol. You need to test immediately before eating the food and again 2 hours later - look at the change in the reading between the two rather than the actual figures. Carbohydrates will generally raise your sugars more than other foods as they are broken down into glucose upon digestion, there are also some ways other foods can influence things but that can wait for later
I found initially that 40-45g carbohydrate per meal worked well but I have had to adjust that over the years - the trick is to find out what works for your body and eat to your meter i.e. eat the foods that dont cause a big spike.
 
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just to add
Its probable that dietary change based on testing results will enhance the action of your medication and produce significant improvements in your blood sugars. It is however also possible that the impact of the combination may not, at least initially, be enough to bring your sugars down far enough and an increase in medication dose / change or addition of another medication may be needed, at least in the short term. If that is needed then please don't see it as a negative thing - medication is just a tool - to be treated with caution yes but certainly used as necessary to achieve good health outcomes.
I have been on Gliclazide for over 21 years at a relatively low dose which has just been halved, so medication isnt always the slippery slope some will portray it as - use it in combination with dietary and other lifestyle changes and you have a winning combination
 
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