Do the doctors there prescribe ACEI's to you?

[TheBigNewt]

Here diabetics (esp Type 1's) often get meds like lisinopril or enalapril (which are commonly used for high BP) in low doses because they can help prevent the development if kidney disease which is pretty common in Type 1 diabetes. I was curious as to whether they do the same thing in the UK.

 

[Tony337]

I am on Ramipril which helps with the filtration in the kidneys but its primary use is in the treatment of high blood pressure.

Regards
Tony

 

[TheBigNewt]

I am on Ramipril which helps with the filtration in the kidneys but its primary use is in the treatment of high blood pressure.

Regards
Tony

Yeah that's what I posted. Ace inhibitors were designed for HTN and they work pretty well. I'm pretty sure they help prevent/delay/improve kidney disease in diabetics and can be used in lower doses than we use for HTN (assuming you don't have high blood pressure) effectively. Especially if you're starting to leak a little protein in your urine. I take one. The most common side effect is a nagging cough (about 10% of people). They're pretty safe.

 

[noblehead]

Here diabetics (esp Type 1's) often get meds like lisinopril or enalapril (which are commonly used for high BP) in low doses because they can help prevent the development if kidney disease which is pretty common in Type 1 diabetes. I was curious as to whether they do the same thing in the UK.

I was started on a low-dose of Ramipril (although my bp was below the recommendations) when my retinopathy progressed, remember speaking with a Consultant at the time and they said Ace Inhibitors are sometimes prescribed to help prevent/ treat Nephropathy, been taking the drug ever since and have had no side-effects to date.

 

[BeccyB]

I was prescribed Ramipril when I showed very early signs of kidney damage. I think they only prescribe them when they spot signs of damage though rather than just to everyone as a preventative measure

 

[TheBigNewt]

I was prescribed Ramipril when I showed very early signs of kidney damage. I think they only prescribe them when they spot signs of damage though rather than just to everyone as a preventative measure

For sure they rx them if you are showing signs of kidney damage, but here they tend to use them in everybody, even Type 2's where I work. We hardly ever see Type 1's because you can't serve in the military with Type 1.

 

[Freema]

I just read a trial of kidney patient trying to eat high quality fish oils ( 1,7 grams )every day compared to a group of kidney patients that had only olive oils daily in capsuels... it looks like the number of blood clothing goes down with around 70% in the group taking daily fish oil capsuels and this seems normally to be a fatal problem in kidney patients..

it was a danish trial...done on Aalborg hospital :http://videnskab.dk/krop-sundhed/fiskeolie-er-godt-nyrepatienter

done by 206 patients in a 2 years study... by My Svensson

 

[TheBigNewt]

I just read a trial of kidney patient trying to eat high quality fish oils ( 1,7 grams )every day compared to a group of kidney patients that had only olive oils daily in capsuels... it looks like the number of blood clothing goes down with around 70% in the group taking daily fish oil capsuels and this seems normally to be a fatal problem in kidney patients..

it was a danish trial...done on Aalborg hospital :http://videnskab.dk/krop-sundhed/fiskeolie-er-godt-nyrepatienter

done by 206 patients in a 2 years study... by My Svensson

Sounds pretty fishy to me!

 

[gavin86]

Hmm may have to investigate, having had prior kidney issues.

That said, I am related to someone who had a very rare reaction to an ACEI and is now critically allergic to just about everything.

 

[Big_Col]

well, they tried to prescribe and I tried them for a solid month but had the expected side effects

Coming up 20 years and was proscribed from the start for kidney damage prevention. After about 10 years got a continual cough. Switching over to an ARB cured the cough.

 

[Kristin251]

Started on lisinopril. Yuk stole my life and energy. Losartan is much better. High BP after DX and thinking helpful with kidneys can't be bad

 

[TheBigNewt]

Yeah, losartan/ARBs have sort of taken over the ACEI's because of no cough, although I don't have one from lisinopril myself. Now that ARBs are generic makes them the same price too.

 

[himtoo]

Lisinopril for about 14 years ( cough developed ) been on losartan ever since( 6 years) -- no cough

BP's in range ( below 130/80 )

 

[TheBigNewt]

If you research the side effects websites, especially those run by patients instead of pharmaceutical companies, you will see that ARBs initially seem ok but have increasing number of side effects the longer you are on them, one of which is that you can get a permanent form of diarrhea. I took them for 7 years and my progressing symptoms fit what other folks were saying and experiencing. Docs are so in love with ARBs that they will consistently try to get you to try yet another one just in case you have confused your symptoms. For this idiotic reason, even though I fit the progressive degeneration to be seen on the evil things, I have tried three different brands and types

I will not take one again ever, don;t care who makes it. Unacceptable risks

https://www.schmidtandclark.com/benicar-class-action

https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/arb-cancer-review-11507/

https://www.clg.org/Class-Action/Li...essure-Drug-Side-Effects-Class-Action-Lawsuit

http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/irbesartan/diarrhoea/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25925925

I heard that the Russians spread all those rumors. And Trump. Trump and the Russians colluding again, it never ends, right?

 

[himtoo]

I heard that the Russians spread all those rumors. And Trump. Trump and the Russians colluding again, it never ends, right?

could you please try and stay on topic .
this is not a political forum

 

[himtoo]

the political climate in America may preclude a current political figure from being used.
using living figures from the past sometimes suits some people.

( please note me holding a gladiator to ransom outside the colosseum in rome )

 

[scorpius14]

not heard of an ACEI until today, but have been given atorvastatin for high cholesterol even if i don't have it that high, they still give it to me and insist its safer to take it than not to, but last time i took my statins was probs a week ago, only started again because of the weather

 

[jrussell88]

My previous endocrinologist Ariel Lant at the Chelsea & Westminster published some of the original research on Ace inhibitors in the 80s; I've been on Lisinopril since 1987 I think.

 

[TheBigNewt]

You are saying this to a dude who elects Billy Bob Clinton as his avatar.

No, he's Slick Willy in the US.