It is salty but I'm currently consuming very little else with salt in so by my calculation it's OK
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It is salty but I'm currently consuming very little else with salt in so by my calculation it's OK
I'm now slightly worried that my (and others) advice to cut carbs may be contrary to solid advice (if contra-intuitive) concerning a patient with coronary issues. I would urgently seek advice from your specialist and put all the facts on the table.
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Kat100
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Hi, try Xylitiol as a sweetener ....if you want to ....you only need a bit ...Holland and barret ...you can bake with to
adrian207
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I was given a meter before I left hospital and have been monitoring my BS levels every morning and evening and making notes. However, tonight after reading a reply by Bluetit I checked my BS level again 2 hours after my tea and was shocked to see it had actually come down from 8.8 at 6pm to 8.4 at 8pm. Not sure if that's good or bad but hoping it's good. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Nuthead
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Down is good. Up is bad.I hit my spike around 2 1/2 hrs.
jack412
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it's good..10 would be worse..the before tea is the worry and that will come down in a month, do you test before breakfast/ if not tomorrow morning. before breakfast is going to make you faint you will find out what a liver dump is
you will find out what a liver dump is
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hi @adrian207 that isn't too bad. Not the best but not too bad.
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When you eat your blood glucose level rises peaks and then comes back down again (well it should). Now depending on what you eat will change how fast your glucose levels rise and return back to normal. I find this is also dependant on the amount I eat. The NHS like you to eat low GI (Glycemic Index) foods. These are foods that release their carbohydrates into your system at a slower rate. For example a wholemeal slice of bread has a much lower GI than white sliced bread. Many on here find that even these low GI raise their levels unacceptable (low GI delays and slows) so have turned their diet to low carb and replacing the lost calories with fat (1g of fat is approximately equivalent to 2g of carb in terms of calories).
adrian207
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Hi Andrew. When you say "fat" I automatically think about the heart attack issue that I had and that extra fat intake wouldn't be any good for that. I may be wrong but I'm sure someone will put me right.
Can I just ask and I'm probably going to look a right tit, but what is that reading at the top of your signature "90-40"? Not BS level readings are they?
adrian207
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Hi Dibbles 1 and thanks for that. I have certainly learned a lot tonight and in such a short time. i will as you suggest try the low carb route and add olive oil to my shopping list, which I can say has never looked as healthy. In fact I'll now be able to stand at the checkouts with my head high and weigh up everybody elses biscuit, chocolate pie filled trolleys and not feel guilty. Oh happy days
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Have you got a GP appointment or nurse appointment yet? It doesn't sound like you have had an official diagnosis with an HbA1c test yet. Aplogies if you have, but you need to know what the result of this HbA1c test was so you know where you are starting from.
You asked Andrew what his figures 90-40 meant. These are his HbA1c results. He started at 90 (high) and ended at 40 (normal non-diabetic range).
Have you got a GP appointment or nurse appointment yet? It doesn't sound like you have had an official diagnosis with an HbA1c test yet. Aplogies if you have, but you need to know what the result of this HbA1c test was so you know where you are starting from.
You asked Andrew what his figures 90-40 meant. These are his HbA1c results. He started at 90 (high) and ended at 40 (normal non-diabetic range).
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This is very good and sensible advice.
jack412
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I take it you have a few pounds to lose and that will give you time to work out your diet, for the time being if you eat the same proteins and fats as you do now and just cut the carbs..it will give you time to ask your HCP and do your own research on it..and is why i said "hopefully you have a few stone too many and you have time to get your head around it as you lose weight"
American diabetic association ( http://www.professional.diabetes.org/)
http://www.professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0 - Sean/dc132042 FINAL.pdf
Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;
therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important than quantity.
In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich [mono fats-rich] eating pattern may benefit
glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.
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Hi there a belated welcome to the forum from me.
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@adrian207
Welcome to the fingers prickers club, as a fellow Manc or at least for the last 42 years I have lived in South Manchester, I was only diagnosed in May, but with the help and advice I have received from this forum have managed to keep my own BG levels in the non diabetic range at least according to my meter.
It's always an idea in the beginning to test immediately out of bed to give you a base line for the day, before meals and 2 hours after first bite again to give you a base as to what foods effect you in either a good or bad way.
Often it can be purely quantity that might need adjusting, but at least you will know what foods spike you.
If you,keep a food diary alongside you meter readings it's helpful,in the beginning.
If unsure about anything just ask, there will always be someone around to give advice but ultimately it's your choice.
Good luck and keep posting.
Welcome to the fingers prickers club, as a fellow Manc or at least for the last 42 years I have lived in South Manchester, I was only diagnosed in May, but with the help and advice I have received from this forum have managed to keep my own BG levels in the non diabetic range at least according to my meter.
It's always an idea in the beginning to test immediately out of bed to give you a base line for the day, before meals and 2 hours after first bite again to give you a base as to what foods effect you in either a good or bad way.
Often it can be purely quantity that might need adjusting, but at least you will know what foods spike you.
If you,keep a food diary alongside you meter readings it's helpful,in the beginning.
If unsure about anything just ask, there will always be someone around to give advice but ultimately it's your choice.
Good luck and keep posting.
If you don't have the time or patience to watch the video, basically it advocates weight loss through intermittent fasting to get type 2 diabetics off insulin and drug therapy and the presenter backs this up with numerous patient case studies.
His underlying message is that the traditional treatment on diabetes to control blood sugar levels using insulin and drugs is wrong because it only addresses the symptoms, not the underlying problem. If you boost insulin to force blood sugar to be stored in the body you a) get fatter and b) your ability to absorb more sugar progressively gets more difficult which is represented by increasing insulin resistance. So insulin and insulin-boosting drugs actually make the underlying problem worse over time.
So, what is that problem? He says it's the capacity of the body to absorb and store excess blood sugar because our ability to store it is saturated. This saturation of the body's ability to absorb more sugar is what insulin resistance is. To address the problem you need to free up space in the body's storage of excess sugar (presumably fat) and he advocates intermittent fasting to do this.
In his case studies he has shown that fasting can bring down HbA1c levels to the normal range and it certainly seems that by his measure once that is done you are cured of diabetes. I think some here will challenge that, however because if you put weight back on again you will return to high HbA1c levels and return to a diabetic condition. As we know some very fat people are not diabetic via various measures (fasting blood glucose, HbA1c and even via glucose tolerance testing).
It all seems to boil down to what the definition of 'being diabetic' is. If you can demonstrate good control over a long period and your HbA1c results are consistently good then I personally think you should be able to declare yourself non-diabetic with the proviso that you are more susceptible to diabetes than others. Just because others can abuse their bodies more and not (currently at any rate) have to pay for it doesn't mean you should have to bear a label for a disease that is not symptomatic.
So I doubt that this video will satisfy those who measure the condition of diabetes in its strictest definitions but it does reinforce the sensible view that by getting your weight down to healthy normal levels and eating sensibly (and doing exercise) should mean you can either avoid drugs and insulin in future or come off them and lead a near normal life.
His underlying message is that the traditional treatment on diabetes to control blood sugar levels using insulin and drugs is wrong because it only addresses the symptoms, not the underlying problem. If you boost insulin to force blood sugar to be stored in the body you a) get fatter and b) your ability to absorb more sugar progressively gets more difficult which is represented by increasing insulin resistance. So insulin and insulin-boosting drugs actually make the underlying problem worse over time.
So, what is that problem? He says it's the capacity of the body to absorb and store excess blood sugar because our ability to store it is saturated. This saturation of the body's ability to absorb more sugar is what insulin resistance is. To address the problem you need to free up space in the body's storage of excess sugar (presumably fat) and he advocates intermittent fasting to do this.
In his case studies he has shown that fasting can bring down HbA1c levels to the normal range and it certainly seems that by his measure once that is done you are cured of diabetes. I think some here will challenge that, however because if you put weight back on again you will return to high HbA1c levels and return to a diabetic condition. As we know some very fat people are not diabetic via various measures (fasting blood glucose, HbA1c and even via glucose tolerance testing).
It all seems to boil down to what the definition of 'being diabetic' is. If you can demonstrate good control over a long period and your HbA1c results are consistently good then I personally think you should be able to declare yourself non-diabetic with the proviso that you are more susceptible to diabetes than others. Just because others can abuse their bodies more and not (currently at any rate) have to pay for it doesn't mean you should have to bear a label for a disease that is not symptomatic.
So I doubt that this video will satisfy those who measure the condition of diabetes in its strictest definitions but it does reinforce the sensible view that by getting your weight down to healthy normal levels and eating sensibly (and doing exercise) should mean you can either avoid drugs and insulin in future or come off them and lead a near normal life.
