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Doing too well??

Valanne

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Dublin
Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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The gym Running
Hi everyone. I was diagnosed in January as T2. HbA1C was 52. I'm 66. My Dad was T2 and on the old line diet so low carbing made great sense to me. I've been pretty strict, used my meter, lost weight and in June my test read 36. I had another set of bloods done last week for another reason and the doc added in HbA1C. This time its 33 so she has dropped my metformin from 1 to 3 a day. I'm already seeing higher numbers before and after meals (5 to 7+) rather than 4 to 6+
I'd really value opinions on whether to be concerned and how much difference Metformin makes. She seems to think my parameters are a bit strict. I'm more concerned about avoiding side effects!

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Congratulations on your numbers, well done.
Metformin really doesn't have much effect on blood glucose. It is prescribed to give some protection to your organs, lower the instance of liver dump and as a mild appetite suppressant.
@daisy1 can give you more information offered to all new members.
Well done again on lowering your bg, that is a smashing result.
 
Hi. Metformin wouldn't normally be having much effect. I think you need to see how your weight goes and hopefully it will stabilise. Do come back if the weight starts going down again.
 
Hi @Valanne,

Congrats on your wonderful results.

The way I see it, your numbers aren't too low. An Hba1c of 33 is non-diabetic, but not ultra-low. As long as you are not on insulin or on any medication that increases insulin production, there shouldn't be any danger of going too low. Some posters on this forum even have Hba1cs in the 20's. I guess docs aren't used to seeing many diabetics in the low 30s range.

In terms of your slightly raised blood sugars after reducing metformin, I would suggest that you wait a couple of weeks and see if they come down again. I seem to remember that some posters here reported something akin to your experience and saw blood sugars drop again after a while.

Hope this helps.
 
@Valanne

Hello Valanne and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you want and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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If you are getting 5 - 7 that is good. I came off Metformin after 4 months, my BG went up a little but it has now returned to better levels, when I low carb and exercise it will be in the 5's.

I'd do anything to avoid Metformin again!

Keep going, sounds like you are managing your condition very well :)
 
Congratulations on your numbers, well done.
Metformin really doesn't have much effect on blood glucose. It is prescribed to give some protection to your organs, lower the instance of liver dump and as a mild appetite suppressant.
@daisy1 can give you more information offered to all new members.
Well done again on lowering your bg, that is a smashing result.
So if everyone says that Metformin has little effect on blood glucose (maybe taken because of other benefits) what DO people take to lower their blood glucose in the early stages of diabetes before they go on insulin? Not everyone has even heard of low carbing let alone manages it.
 
So if everyone says that Metformin has little effect on blood glucose (maybe taken because of other benefits) what DO people take to lower their blood glucose in the early stages of diabetes before they go on insulin? Not everyone has even heard of low carbing let alone manages it.

Having been able to lower my bg on diet alone I am no expert but I think gliaclazide ( sp) is one of the drugs people are offered to lower bg but these types of drugs come with their own risks/benefits. But, I stand to be corrected on this.
 
So if everyone says that Metformin has little effect on blood glucose (maybe taken because of other benefits) what DO people take to lower their blood glucose in the early stages of diabetes before they go on insulin? Not everyone has even heard of low carbing let alone manages it.
there are various herbal and homeopathic remedies which you can try which are said to aid in lowering blood glucose. Basil is sometimes taken (supplement form) as is Aloe Vera - not saying it would work for everyone as we are all different. My Hubby takes Ashwahganda ( known as Indian Gingseng) as this affects the adrenal glands, lowers cortisol and in turn lowers BG. Green tea and Alpha Lipoiec R Acid supplements are used by some as you will see from other posts on the forum. Basically anything that reduces stress is beneficial-yoga works for some. There is a specific homeopathic supplement which my Hubby found dropped his BG significantly when first diagnosed-once combined with carb cutting. Hope that helps x
 
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