superdave220
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
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- Tablets (oral)
Thanks for the clarification. I'm from the US by the way. Are most people on this forum from UK? I'm realizing the A1c numbers here are different from the US.
Probably more an ideological schism than a war and there are some ketogenic WFPB eaters but I think it is quite a hard road to trek down. The problem has mainly been a few main US based Doctors who have decided that WFPB eating is the way to go and cherry pick studies (and on occasion just blatantly lie) to support their theories.
There's a mix from all over the world but the majority are UK based I would say. Here the HbA1c is usually represented as mmol/m whereas I believe yours is a percentage? Some UK doctors still use the % model as well just to make it easy!Thanks for the clarification. I'm from the US by the way. Are most people on this forum from UK? I'm realizing the A1c numbers here are different from the US.
There's a mix from all over the world but the majority are UK based I would say. Here the HbA1c is usually represented as mmol/m whereas I believe yours is a percentage? Some UK doctors still use the % model as well just to make it easy!
Our blood sugar levels are mmol/l whereas yours are of course mg/dl (conversion factor of 18). The US Doc's to watch to for are Greger, McDonald, Fuhrman and Barnard they are often in programs like What the Health and IThrive.
My path to keto started with Dr Jason Fung (loads of videos on you tube) there’s also a lot of keto info on www.dietdoctor.com as well as www.ketogenicforums.com which is an offshoot of the 2 keto dudes podcasts (also well worth a listen).Thanks. I guess the numbers in OP didn't make sense to a lot of folks. Sorry everyone! lol
I've listened to Barnard but not the rest. Is there a doctor or author that you follow for your own Keto Diet or do you just follow your own plan? I've seen some clinical trials for Type 2 Keto programs but they are charge a fee. I'm wondering if I can get same results following a general keto plan myself.
Canada uses % for hba1c and mmol for blood sugar levels.There's a mix from all over the world but the majority are UK based I would say. Here the HbA1c is usually represented as mmol/m whereas I believe yours is a percentage? Some UK doctors still use the % model as well just to make it easy!
Our blood sugar levels are mmol/l whereas yours are of course mg/dl (conversion factor of 18). The US Doc's to watch to for are Greger, McDonald, Fuhrman and Barnard they are often in programs like What the Health and IThrive.
I've seen some clinical trials for Type 2 Keto programs but they are charge a fee. I'm wondering if I can get same results following a general keto plan myself.
Keto is absolutely doable outside of a formal program. Try dietdoctor.com for some great recipes.
Do you use a blood glucose meter to self-test? Also known as 'eating to the meter'. Many of us just ended up eating keto by default as a result of self-testing: nothing like real-time data to understand and eliminate the foods that cause spikes.
Also, anything by Dr. Jason Fung is well worth a read. Here is a link to one of his blogs from November 2017 to get you started:
https://idmprogram.com/therapeutic-nutrition-paradigm-21st-century-medicine/
I don't know where you are in the US but you might be interested in the Ketofest 2018 in New London, CT:
http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2018/2/27/ketofest-2018-launched-today-get-in-there-
Have a watch of this TED talk if you haven't seen it before. Well explained and easy to understandThanks everyone! This forum is awesome! I'm realizing I need a community to help manage this disease. Please keep the comments, thoughts, and words of encouragement coming!
Interesting comment about body fat (not ingested fat) triggering insulin.
Overall I think it's pretty ironic that my doctor was pressuring me into going on insulin a month ago, and now he's warning me against LCHF because he thinks it will increase my insulin levels.
That's the first TED talk about Keto and Type2 that I saw. It's so good!Have a watch of this TED talk if you haven't seen it before. Well explained and easy to understand
Wow so there are some sensible voices out there.. well done you for finding them...Quick update. I got a second opinion from a Dr. who is a CDE (certified diabetes educator) and spoke with a RD (registered dietician) who affirmed everything I'm doing with Keto. I'm off of Glipizide for the time being, my sugars are still normal, and I'm feeling great!
What the WFPB folks have in common is they promote whole foods and no sugar. A lot of the carb on that diet is non starchy carbs too. I think that diet could work better than the Standard American Diet but as you say WFPB/veganism its an ideological war against animal fat and there seems to be little evidence that its the (animal) fat that is causing our modern health problems. Interestingly these WFPB docs are just as much against Big Pharma and Big Food as many on this forum might be.Probably more an ideological schism than a war and there are some ketogenic WFPB eaters but I think it is quite a hard road to trek down. The problem has mainly been a few main US based Doctors who have decided that WFPB eating is the way to go and cherry pick studies (and on occasion just blatantly lie) to support their theories.
True there are lots of similarities and there does seem to be evidence that an ultra low fat diet may work as well as an ultra low carb one... but... and for me its a big but.. I just wouldn't stick to it because I love meat too much.What the WFPB folks have in common is they promote whole foods and no sugar. A lot of the carb on that diet is non starchy carbs too. I think that diet could work better than the Standard American Diet but as you say WFPB/veganism its an ideological war against animal fat and there seems to be little evidence that its the (animal) fat that is causing our modern health problems. Interestingly these WFPB docs are just as much against Big Pharma and Big Food as many on this forum might be.
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