douglas99
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Not convinced at too many people go back to their old ways, and eat carbs.
Far better to reverse it, and not be limited to LCHF forever.
Not convinced as too many people go back to their old ways…… Hence I think controlled carbs (say under 100g) should be the first angle of attract getting people eating in a way they will be happy with for the rest of their life’s. Then and only then use intermittent fasting or Newcashle Diet.
Asking people to do something that lots of people fail at is a bad option, but even if people fail to get down to low carb levels they are very likely to have learned to avoid the worse foods.
I think it depends also on why people want to be meds free. I wanted to be meds-free, so that I'm not tethered to a pharmacy, however often I would have to replenish any medication.
Of course, not one of us knows how long we might be able to maintain our status quo, but if it is important enough to the individual and they weigh up the risks v benefits, then they are making an informed decision. The decision made may just not be uniform across all who make it for themselves.
Not convinced at too many people go back to their old ways, and eat carbs.
Far better to reverse it, and not be limited to LCHF forever.
Rapid weight loss on a very low calorie diet (Newcastle Diet) is by far the best option for "middle fat"
I think all diabetics at least every other HbA1c should get a full blood test as well, otherwise how will one know if there are nutrient deficiencies.This is why I was so disappointed to be refused a C-Peptide test by both GP and diabetic specialist who did however order a Gad test.
I don't think it matters which type of diet one chooses, be it LCHF, VLC, or fasting , if you can stick with it and you can bring down your weight, then the chances are you will give your pancreas the chance to function properly again eventually.
My own system seems to be happily saying - you are pretty "normal" at the moment and I've never been near the Newcastle Diet, instead I lost 27K through LCHF at 30 g per day.
For all of us there is a tendency to assume what worked best for us will do so for everyone else- the critical point seems to me to get rid of the carbs by whatever means you choose and aim for a significant calorie deficit at the same time. the two ni combination will most probably bring down, weight, hba1C and improve insulin resistance.
Sorry, just bought a new one myself.
But I had a £1.99 Big Mac and Fries, and some Ice Cream this afternoon, so I guess it's all doom and gloom for me?
I would say that Doctors have a duty to warn of the potential side effects of Metformin, particularly the potential for Kidney damage.
I think it matters on what you eat after that period though, or what you can eat after.
Whilst is lovely to be able to " indulge " now and again and I myself did precisely that yesterday with a large sausage roll and a vendor beefburger, I do think that you might be kidding yourself and everyone else if you think that because your systems are all functioning well now, and you " reversed your diabetes " that means it's ok to go back to what you were doing before including eating a lot of junk food. - sure as a treat now and again - but no longer a way of life
Im my view the Newcastle diet probably worked for you because it created a severe calorie deficit and was by definition a low carb diet. The LCHF diet has done the same for me ( I am 10 months in ) . No doubt the fasting process will do it for others.
For ALL of us, if we eat too much put on weight and increase our junk food limits then we are all likely to " catch diabetes" again - just like first time round. Being " cured "in the middle is nice but not sufficient to last forever. .
I do have a different opinion on this, as LCHF is not limiting, for me it is liberating. Yesterday my daughter made a super creamy panacotta using Xylitol, it was far too sweet for me after a small mouthful, this would be the case for mainstream varbNot convinced at too many people go back to their old ways, and eat carbs.
Far better to reverse it, and not be limited to LCHF forever.
I was furious, my eGFR count went down on Metformin and immediately back up without it; for something that could be "end-of-life" full disclosure I think is vital. All I was told was that Metformin does not induce a Hypo.I know my doctor does the Kidney function blood test every year anyway and they show no issue, hence I don't think there is a real risk to my Kidney from Metformin. But I think everyone on Metformin should have a full set of bloods done each year.
I take metformin and lansoprazol but more for gerd symptoms. I know of those who have far worse stomach problem who can tolerate metformin. Maybe medics could think it through more.I was lucky, but I don't normally react to meds too badly.
But I do wonder, how long do people give it?
It took me over a year to reverse my diabetes, and it was a major disruption to my life.
A year well spent though.
As to metformin, can you take metformin and Imogen?
Can you spend a month getting accustomed to it?
(not easy, but it's a month against a life)
Diabetes isn't "pop a pill and carry on", it's a life changer.
I think you are both right. With what I know now, I would immediately do the Newcastle Diet (using real food, no satchets), I would then maintain on LCHF with exercise. I think it depends where you are in your journey; as I had never dieted a low cal diet would most likely have got me to where I needed to be initially, killing myself with over exercising I think was a harder root.Not convinced as too many people go back to their old ways…… Hence I think controlled carbs (say under 100g) should be the first angle of attract getting people eating in a way they will be happy with for the rest of their life’s. Then and only then use intermittent fasting or Newcashle Diet.
Asking people to do something that lots of people fail at is a bad option, but even if people fail to get down to low carb levels they are very likely to have learned to avoid the worse foods.
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