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Type 2 Dropping off a cliff fatigue

Lovelyliz

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi everyone. I've been diagnosed with Type II for 18 months having had a seriously high HbA1c level. 3 stone weight loss later, loads of exercise, a healthier diet and with the help of metformin I am now in the realms of a normal HbA1c. In the last couple of months however I have put on six pounds on my belly (never experienced weight gain just in this location before!) and at least once a week around 5pm I experience extreme fatigue. I've got two small kids so I know tiredness but this is like falling off a cliff tiredness - it's horrible and totally debilitating. I am not sure if this is lack of sugar or too much sugar/carbs? I don't know if I should eat something or not so if anyone got any advice for me I'd be grateful- nothing has changed in my diet or exercise levels
 
Oops...I think I put this in the wrong group...school girl error!
 
Hi everyone. I've been diagnosed with Type II for 18 months having had a seriously high HbA1c level. 3 stone weight loss later, loads of exercise, a healthier diet and with the help of metformin I am now in the realms of a normal HbA1c. In the last couple of months however I have put on six pounds on my belly (never experienced weight gain just in this location before!) and at least once a week around 5pm I experience extreme fatigue. I've got two small kids so I know tiredness but this is like falling off a cliff tiredness - it's horrible and totally debilitating. I am not sure if this is lack of sugar or too much sugar/carbs? I don't know if I should eat something or not so if anyone got any advice for me I'd be grateful- nothing has changed in my diet or exercise levels
 
Welcome to the Forum, don’t worry the moderators will move your post if necessary.
Anyway, can you answer a few questions to enable forumites to help you. What is a typical days menu on a day when this fatigue hits you? Do you monitor your our bloods sugars? That’s the only way to establish whether you are going high. It’s unlikely you’re going low on just Metformin.
 
Hi Rachox
An average day for me is porridge sweetened with Truvia for breakfast, salad with ham, cheese etc, crackers or soup with bread, dinner meat, veg including potatoes. I try and keep away from anything I know has sugar in but I guess I do still eat bread and potatoes so perhaps I am getting the high from those? I did wonder if the timing of my meals may be an issue I have lunch at 12 and then probably a banana or fruit in the afternoon with dinner at 7.30pm but then it has been the same for the last 18 months so what has changed? I've been trying to see if the days I get the fatigue my diet is different but I don't see it. I don't monitor my own levels as the nurse said even though I was very high initially it wasn't needed. When I asked her about a suitable diet she just said "everything in moderation"...not incredibly helpful
 

Hi there LovelyLiz - Where would you prefer your thread to be? I, or any of the Mods, can mover it for you, with pleasure.
 
I'm sure others here will advise about testing/appropriate foods (both are really essential, despite what your nurse said, and bananas are the highest carb fruits out there).

But as I am a mum and am a type 2 who has had very high HBA1C levels: the type of tiredness I get with too many carbs is just like you described and quite different for me than the tiredness from children/tiredness from lack of sleep.

I recently ate about 8 chocolate digestives (I was watching a programme about the nation's favourite biscuits - bad idea!) to see what happened as I hadn't had biscuits for months. And I sat down, and couldn't do anything. I was so ridiculously tired, so much so I couldn't hoist myself upstairs to bed for ages. And I slept for a long time, and woke feeling groggier than ever. I did test my blood sugars that evening and morning, and yes, as I already knew...they were sky high for the whole period and hadn't come down much by morning. There is a definite relationship with what you eat and how you feel....

I ate biscuits with abandon all last year (and had the HBA1C results to prove it) so obviously something changed...
 

There are a number of things in your diet that a lot of us don’t eat or eat in small quantities as the carbs are too high for us, remember carbs turn into sugar. I’m sure you know but I would reduce the porridge, crackers, bread and potatoes and be cautious about the fruit. The fructose in fruit may cause weight around the middle aswell as raising blood sugars. Many Drs and nurses say not to test but if you can afford to self fund a meter and strips I urge you to. Testing before and after meals is the only way to know for sure if this fatigue is due to high sugars or something else. The dietary advice you got is standard too but not always suitable for every diabetic.
 

Your HbA1c only tells part of the story. What are your post meal glucose levels like?

Tiredness like that may be related to the fact that your body cannot use glucose efficiently, but it can also be related to many other things. You may want to consider talking to your doc if symptoms persist.
 
HeyLovelyliz, welcome to the Forum. Good work on losing weight and getting that A1c down to normal range! You don't mention if you are using a meter to test your blood sugars throughout the the day or not. If you have a meter, it would make sense to test your sugars when you are getting this slump of energy...that will dictate if you need to eat something or not. I would also wonder how your hemoglobin is - may be a bit low?? There are so many other things that it could be, that if it persists, I would be seeing my Doc....Take care/L
 
Thanks everyone for your advice, it's so reassuring to have a forum like this.

I think I am going to cut out the carbs for a month and see how it goes. I had completely forgotten that carbs result in sugars so I am sure that isn't helping me. I'm also going to look for a monitor so I can see what is going on. Can anyone recommend a good testing regime? How long before/after food, normal ranges etc. Of course I will also speak to my nurse next week and let her know my concerns.
 
Thanks lindijanice and urbanracer for your advice. I'm not monitoring my levels as the nurse said it wasn't necessary but I think I will pursue this. I've got my blood tests coming up next week followed by a trip to the nurse so hopefully I can speak with her about my concerns and see what comes up in my results. Thanks
 
As you are having a blood test anyway, you should ask for your thyroid levels to be checked too. One of the reasons for extreme tiredness can be hypothyroidism.
 
To begin with it’s good to test immediately before a meal and two hours after first bite, the readings your looking for are here:
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html
Scroll down to the first red table.
Also bear in mind that if the rise from before to two hours after is more than 2mmol then the meal was two carby.
Some people test before bed and on waking (fasting) aswell to look at trends, however fasting levels are often the last to improve and can be demoralising when all the others are getting better.
 

Thanks so much, thats very useful infromation
 
Perhaps a reminder from @daisy1 might help?
 
@Lovelyliz

Hello Lovely Liz and welcome to the Forum Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Ouch - that nurse gave you some very poor advice.
Porridge, crackers, bread, potatoes, banana or high sugar fruits - if you were testing you'd have seen just how those high carb foods affect you.
You are probably less insulin resistant in the later part of the day - like me, and as you are improving bit by bit, you react to all the insulin poured out to deal with those high carb foods, and yes it is like falling off a cliff.
 
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