bogwort47
Member
- Messages
- 17
- Location
- Hampshire, UK
- Type of diabetes
- Prediabetes
- Treatment type
- Diet only
- Dislikes
- Uncertainty, prevarication.
Hi MrsA2Hi @bogwort47
I've just started the NHS course and am biting my tongue hard in each session as I believe I am already expert in my own health and low carbing in particular. Last week they were making a slim 85 year old woman feel guilty for having ham in her sandwich. The daily brown bread sandwich was deemed OK but the ham berated.
I'm not on any other drugs except eye drops for a congenital condition. I don't see any connection between them and my bg. (But always happy to learn or change)
And yes I don't understand why diabetes gets the blame as much as it does. Long term and Uncontrolled yes, but well managed no. (T1s excepted)
I got particularly incensed when it was recorded as the second cause of death on my sisters death certificate. She died of a brain tumour but had had blood cancer for 20 years and faulty heart valves for 15 years. So had been on heavy medications, inactive and very poorly for decades. Yet her t2 diagnosis was only 6 months prior yet deemed responsible . They ignored all other possibilities. When I mentioned this on here, someone said they have put diabetes if its been diagnosed irrespective . That then means statistically it is seen to cause many many deaths, whether it actually was or not.
None of the above means that I don't think that diabetes should not be taken seriously . The long term complications can be devastating and expensive, but I think the message should be more positive about remission and future prevention
I asked my doctor if I could reduce Atorvastatin from 4mg to 2mg, as my triglycerides are on the cusp of normal and it raising my glucose level is more important. She said no, because I am at risk of heart disease and stroke. My A1c is 57, stress and poor sleep responsible for some of it.Hi.
I'm bogwort47.
Been around for at least 77 years and well over 10 years on line on other fora with this name.
September 2024 I received a text about 2015hrs one evening in an Italian restaurant, when I was 2 courses down and had just ordered a Tiramasu, which said I was pre-diabetic. It appears that I have been running a steady 42 on my HbA1c since 2020.
I had my Tiramasu.
Since then I have been beating myself up over diet and pricking every morning with a long term average this year of 6.3 for my Blood Glucose.
On 25 04 2025 I asked my heart consultant if I could come off Atorvastatin for a while to see what happens. He said yes. My HbA1c that day was 41; only a small improvement. Today, my average BG over the last 14 days is 5.5. This represents a drop of over 10%, not dis-similar to the increase in 2020 from 38 to 42 when I went on Atorvastatin and had a 3 x CABG. On line, the info says 5% effect mean with no range given. I could say ***, but could not possibly do so as it might be considered impolite at best. That is over 2 xs the mean. Long short if I am in the standard deviation range then the effect on Blood Glucose of Atorvastatin could be up to 15 to 20 %
I joined an NHS recommended course run by an USA Co Xyla after 2 cancellations eventually in February 2025; all about losing weight. I and none of the people on the course are noticeably over weight. I also keep reasonably active averaging 5 - 6000 steps a day on a rolling week and in January averaged over 8000 a day for over some 3 weeks plus, romping around in the Antarctic.
Whatever, I have come to this Forum to see if anyone else has had a similar experience of being put on/recommended for a course for weight which is not really appropriate and has been affected by drugs raising their Blood Glucose.
I really wonder just how many so called pre-diabetics are finding the same thing.
Please do not get me wrong. When the dust settles, I may still be drifting towards diabetes, it killed my Granny in 1950 and my Dad was type 2 plus meds but it was prostate cancer that killed him when his bones gave out in 1997.
Happy days and I look forward to hearing about your experiences. My guess is that the NHS is may be unnecessarily making the figures look a lot worse than they really are and worrying a lot of people totally unnecessarily - it will be very interesting to see what you responses say.
My apologies for going off topic on your thread @bogwort47 , I just wanted to ask why well managed T1's would be excepted?And yes I don't understand why diabetes gets the blame as much as it does. Long term and Uncontrolled yes, but well managed no. (T1s excepted)
here's the reference.Thank you @KennyA
Do you know what the range and Sigma data is for this test and could you share with me the source of your information please? Many thanks, b
You’re welcome, I don’t think I’ll be digging that deep into why I get unexplained small rises, everyone including non diabetics get them, they are part & parcel of life, I would say 99% of mine are out of my control. I was taken of statins quite quickly as they affected my liver, was only on them max of 6 weeks. I saw no change in my BG whatsoever either up or down.Thanks for coming back to me @lovinglife. Wow, that's a huge change if you are talking about prick BG. From your information it would appear that your body is much more sensitive to input than mine. You appear to have done well over the years getting more to where I am now. I suspect that you too may need to start searching for the needles now to get further improvement. I notice you mention statins. How much of an improvement did you get when you came off them please? Good Luck and thanks again, b.
If I recall correctly (I may be mistaken) the makers of Contour plus claim a maximum 10% error for that device, well inside industry standard. I have no idea whether this claim is true in all cases, but your experience would tend to confirm it.Hi @KennyA
Thanks for both your responses. I will take a look and see how they address range and sigma. b
1. OK - done that. Yes you are quite right the ISO spec outer spec limits are +- 15%.
I have been back and checked my Contour Plus Blue and see that for design certification 425 of 426 measurements fell within +- 10% and the odd one within the +- 15% outer limits. That works out as 1 in 500 results only being outside the +- 10% tolerance which balances with the variations I get when doing sequential readings when a 1st result gives an unexpected value.
So all in all, it would appear that the accuracy of prick BG results depends very much on your device; others investigated are not as good and I guess only skim in under the +- 15% with a flatter distribution.
Therefore, it might appear that the likely error rate in my results is very much better than the +- 15% suggested in the ISO spec. at 1 in 500 on average in practical terms being a tad wide of the mark.
2. Expected readings for people without diabetes.
Firstly, thank you very much for introducing me to this report; albeit 2007. I have read it and already I have identified marked differences between those results and mine even though my HbA1c is currently 41 and notionally in spec. In particular, it is not so much the values but the profiles which are different, particularly night time. More study is required.
I found the meal contents particularly curious in relation to what most non-diabetics would likely eat. Notwithstanding, indicators related to the different food types may be of value going forward.
Thank you again for your support in my search for understanding. b
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