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Eat to Meter?

cas65

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Hi,

I hear this phrase quite a lot, but what if I don't use a meter?

I was diagnosed type 2 in 2006 and have asked my diabetic nurse repeatedly if I can/should check my blood sugars and everytime I get the reply that this surgery doesn't believe in or recommend checking blood sugars through out the day and the three monthly Hb1AC checks are enough to see how well controlled I am.

So if I can't check my sugars how do I work out how to control my diet - any tips?

Thanks Cas
 
WOW, it's unbeleivable that your surgery is living so far in the past !

If they won't provide a meter and strips buy one of your own, they are not expensive, mostly free, but the strips can add up to a fair bit. What is the price of knowledge of your blood sugars ?

Please read a lot more on these forums, other posters will be astonished that you are being treated this way against the NICE guidlines.

Check out the low carb forums, lots of good advice there. Are you following the dangerous NHS advice on diet and what if any medication are you taking ?

Superchip
 
Hi cas

You've hit the nail on the head - you can't

You can go for your 3 monthly HBA1cs and hope everything is ok or if your gp wont fund a meter for you buy one yourself. Most of us have to do this, because of the short-sighted policy of the NHS/NICE/DUK

To my gp I likened it to being told to lose weight - come back in 6 months and we'll see how you've done then, Not gonna happen

The meters themselves are not that expensive, the strips however, can be. Initially I tested a lot but now maybe 1 a week as I know what to eat to not cause a spike

Without a meter I would be on meds by now. The reason - NHS advice - don't test, eat starchy carb with every meal, eg brown bread, porridge.

1 slice of brown bread for me = 12.2
30g porridge = 15.4

so, if Id listened to my GP I would have gone back 3 months later swearing blind I'd been 'good' but my bloods would have been shocking.

Mary x
 
Spot on MaryJ !

cas65 needs much more advice, I expect Daisy will be along shortly to dispense the sensible advice we have all benefited from.

Superchip
 
Lots of us have been told not to test by our GP/Nurse, it's purely a decision made on cost. My GP admitted it was down to money when I quoted the nice guidelines. The HbA1c test is an average for 3 months, a VERY lose average as it doesn't show any high or lows so you have no idea how food affects you. Buy a meter and test before a meal and 2 hours after, the closer the 2 hours after is to the premeal the better. Most of us aim for less than 7.8 2 hours after. Lots of the advice given to us in regard to healthy eating is not healthy for diabetics! :shock:

Ann
 
My surgery only offer ONE HbA1c test A YEAR. I found waiting a whole year to see what my blood sugars were doing unacceptable, so I bought my own meter and test strips.
 
cas65 said:
Hi,

I hear this phrase quite a lot, but what if I don't use a meter?

I was diagnosed type 2 in 2006 and have asked my diabetic nurse repeatedly if I can/should check my blood sugars and everytime I get the reply that this surgery doesn't believe in or recommend checking blood sugars through out the day and the three monthly Hb1AC checks are enough to see how well controlled I am.

So if I can't check my sugars how do I work out how to control my diet - any tips?

Thanks Cas

Yes, invest in your own meter. You can buy a Codefree from ebay or Amazon with 50 strips for about £20. With no meter how can you possibly know what your BG is like after food? You can't, simple as that. It is down to cost. At diagnosis I was told no strips and no meter, then my GP saw I was very proactive and prescribed unlimited strips. He also told me as soon as my HbA1c was below 6, no more strips. The very next HbA1c was 4.9% and he threatened to take all my strips. I argued that I had not tested all foods and could undo the work I had done, I now get 50 a month. I still have to buy some strips, but to me it's worth it. I rarely test now, but can go through 5-6 strips if I have an unusual reading, or want to study how I am doing over the course of a day. In the main I do random +2 tests, as I know what I am likely to be, and I am rarely wrong, but I wouldn't be like this if I hadn't bought my own meter and tested from the get go.

I've just seen your post Lucy. My surgery does three monthly HbA1c, I am sure that is the time outlined by NICE?
 
Hi Cas and welcome to the forum :)

I agree with the others - you need to get yourself a meter and test after eating to see what effect each food has on your levels. This is very important to keep your BG levels under control. The HbA1c tests are not enough as they don't register highs and lows, only an average level. When you are confident that you know how each food reacts to your levels, you can test less. Ask any other questions you may have and someone will be able to answer.

This is the information which we give to new members which I think you will find helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
lol I can see you ae going to be deleted Darcy, with your helpful 'advice'.
 
Darcy said:
You should add these thing for the healthy Breakfast Whole grains like Rolls, bagels, cereals, low fat bran muffins, crackers, or Melba toast,
Not on my watch sunshine! These spike my BGs terribly , But if you can cope with them, good luck!
Darcy said:
Low fat protein such as peanut butter, lean meat, poultry or fish, or boiled eggs,
Dairy like milk, yogurt and low-fat cheeses, such as cottage and natural cheeses....
These are good for me but I prefer a bit of fat marbling on my meat for flavour. :thumbup:
 
Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your advice and apologies for not being back to check on your replies.

I am suffering with anxiety and depression and because of this not as proactive (heck not even reactive) as I once was.

I know health is not a place to cut costs, but having been on long term ESA with nobody to assist and support me I am barely getting by financially and to spend £20 on test strips is simply not possibly (I had to save up for three months to buy a new toilet seat when mine broke and was delighted when it only cost £11.99 instead of the estimated £15)

I'm not saying this to generate pity, just want to illustrate the situation, basically I am at the mercy of my so-called 'care' providers.

I will have a look at NICE guidelines, since I haven't a clue what this is about.

Thanks again. :thumbup:
 
Try cutting out foods that are generally accepted as likely to cause high readings then, ie bread, rice, pasta, potatoes and the obvious sweets/crisps/junk/sugar.

At least then you can try to limit higher BGs, even if you can't see what they are.
 
Bit 'off topic' but have now managed to get as many testing strips from my doctor as I need.

I changed to insulin last summer, surrendered - and got back - my driving licence from DVLA, with the paragraph that says 'you should test every time you get behind the wheel'. I work as an estate agent and 'drive' up to 15 times a day, for appts and general to and from work. GP felt he didn't have a leg to stand on as my employer wanted me to drive to the letter of the law or their 'pool' insurance wouldn't cover me.

He wasn't happy, but now gives me 200 strips a month free
 
Superchip said:
WOW, it's unbeleivable that your surgery is living so far in the past !

If they won't provide a meter and strips buy one of your own, they are not expensive, mostly free, but the strips can add up to a fair bit. What is the price of knowledge of your blood sugars ?

Please read a lot more on these forums, other posters will be astonished that you are being treated this way against the NICE guidlines.

Check out the low carb forums, lots of good advice there. Are you following the dangerous NHS advice on diet and what if any medication are you taking ?

Superchip

Superchip

I don't check my blood glucose and I low carb. My reasons for not checking I have discussed before. I have other health problems. I have M.E. Am bedbound/housebound, was stuck on medication for pain which made me gain weight, (gabeptin, Lycria, and antidepressants)and which took me into the obese range.
when I hit puberty obviously hormones raging through my body I was a petite 5 ft 7 (obviously shrunk slightly) and am now 5 ft 6 and then was only weighting 7 stone. I was anorexic. I didn't eat, I hated food, and now being older and in my 40s I still hate food, I rarely went above 500 calories.
When I was given the diagnosis of type 2, I went into the okay, now I have to do something, I came off these medications and cut out all starchy carbohydrates. I REFUSED to eat for a week, surviving on water and tea alone. I discussed the non testing with my GP and said if I test and the blood glucose is high he knows what I will do. He wants me safe. The weight is coming off, it isn't perfect yet, but it is getting there. I am down to 12 stone 2, which is better than near 19 stone. I don't go above 20 grams of carbs a day and yes I record all my carbs. My calorie intake is between 200-300 at the moment which is better than 3 weeks ago when it was only 100 calories with a carb intake of very little.
A few people on here agree with me not testing. I know my body, and my GP is keeping a VERY close eye on things. If I am honest, Anorexia is beginning to rear it's ugly head, but the M.E is beating it down with a stick.
 
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