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vxrich

vxrich

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Hi All

Just wondering what kinds of things you eat as an evening snack. Im trying to stick to a low GI diet and also try not to eat carbs atfer 6pm but finding that I get peckish around 9pm and dont want to eat anything loaded with carbs

Rich
 
try a nice slice of ham spread with Philadelphia cheese then roll like a wrap - you dont need many

Dave P
 
Macadamias, cheese, olives, pickled egg, deli meat, small tin of pilchards, mackerel, celery sticks & mayo? Not all at the same time perhaps :wink:

fergus
 
Hi Rich,

I usually load up on macadamias and pecans if I get peckish of an evening.
Avocados are low-carb and high calorie.
Tesco do a great full fat cottage cheese with added crème fraîche. 8)

Check out the What a friend we have in cheeses thread for some more ideas on all things cheesy.

Best regards,
timo.
 
ta for the suggestions. I love cheese but isnt it very fattening?
 
vxrich
you've been caught by the GREAT MYTH. Fats are NOT fattening. Everytime someone has actually tried to prove they are, they found no evidence and the study got halted.
It's one of these "Facts" that "Everybody knows" based on a false assumption.
 
Celery sticks with home-made dips are pretty good.

Try using chopped tomatoes with chilli, worcestershire sauce, sliced spring onions, garlic salt, black pepper and a dash of red wine for a quicky.

Yoghurt with a finely grated cheese of your choice and a few herbs/spices is also a tasty option.
 
vxrich said:
ta for the suggestions. I love cheese but isnt it very fattening?
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Ah, the big fat lie, Rich. We've all been sold a porker on that front I'm afraid.

You could say that all calories are equal, but some appear to be more equal than others. :D

Regards,
timo.
 
What about fat and colesterol, is that a porker too?
 
Hi Eric,

It appears that for many years decisions were made on fats without any real research. The idea that eating fat must make you fat sounds perfectly logical - but it isn't true!

The idea of fat clogging your arteries and causing heart disease was first propounded in the 1950s by an American scientist, Professor Ancel Keys. He believed in two things: that a high carb diet is essential and that fat is responsible for heart disease. So he set out to prove it, and any scientist will tell you that trying to prove something you already believe to be true will always end up proving nothing. Prof Keys simply ignored, or declared to be invalid, all research that didn't support his hypothesis. And on the basis of hardly any evidence he declared his beliefs to be proved correct and his theory has formed the basis of all dietary advice since then. I realise this sounds improbable but you need to realise that Prof Keys was a very charismatic TV and radio personality at the time - think of a cross between Prof David Bellamy and Jamie Oliver! Whatever he said, the nation believed without question.

After more than 40 years of following the prof's advice, and 40 years of ever increasing heart disease, it is only in the last 5 years or so that further research has found how badly flawed the Keys "research" actually was. What we now know is that the triglyceride that furs up the arteries is only created by fats in the presence of high levels of carbohydrate. So in a way some of Keys thinking was right, but for the wrong reasons. Without the high levels of carbs fats don't do any damage. It is the combination of fat and carbs that is harmful - so if you consume a high level of carbs then you need to keep fats to a minimum. If you eat a low level of carbs then a high intake of fat does no damage.

Incidentally it was also Prof Keys who told us that eating cholesterol causes cholesterol - we now know that only 15% of cholesterol comes from food - 85% is manufactured by the liver. And what does the liver use as fuel - you guessed it - carbohydrate.
 
Hi timo & Dennis, thank you very much for your replies.

If this is really true, and I hope it is, we really have been waisting our times and putting our healths at risk by swallowing the statins. Maybe it was a money making scam by the pharmaceutical industry. But as an angina sufferer maybe I am in denial and find it hard to believe, especially after reading the "skinless chicken" being mentioned in the dailymail link timo posted.

About 20/22 years ago, while living in Germany, I had a fasting blood test done a day after eating grilled chicken and chips, my colesterol was 300mg, way over the top as I was told. The Doc wanted repeat the test a week later, he asked what I had to eat the dayt before when he found out what I had to eat for lunch the day before he told me not to eat chicken or at least not to eat the skin next time. The next test was normal and I was not put on statins.

I have been on statins now for 6 years since my angina attack and was doing prettry well on low fat and "normal" carb diet. Even the my LDL/HDL levels were not good and the only way to normalise them was to change from Simvastatin to Rosuvastatin. A couple of months ago I "fell of the wagon" and started eating sausages, bacon, cheese and other fatty stuff, my cholesterol went up so high that my GP had to increase my statin.

To sum it up, fat increases my colestrol but carbs in normal dosage does not increase either my colesterol levels or my BS.

Am I not normal or are we now being told "porkies" by someone/some people who are trying to make a name for themselves?

Thanks.
 
Hi Eric,

Have a look at the success stories thread. Bear in mind that it's your intake of carbohydrate
(or rather your body's insulin response to it) that controls fat mobilisation.

High-carb + high-fat = bad :cry:

Low-carb + high fat = good :D

Regards,
timo.
 
Hi timo,

Can you define "high" in carb and fat for me please?

What about low carb + low fat, any good?
 
Hi Eric,

low carb (ketogenic) 0-50g
Typical low carb 50-90g
Liberal low carb 90-130g
Moderate carbs 130-170g
High carb 170g plus a day

low carb + low fat = high protein. :|

Regards,
timo.
 
Thanks for that timo, what about fat though, how much should we be eating daily?

BTW, I just read the first page of the "success stories" you posted earlier.

sleepylu says "Traditionally i know that i have to low carb & low fat diet to lose weight"

Graham64 says "Then I found this Forum after going through the posts I went to see nurse and asked to see a dietitian, result a completely different diet alot higher in fats so I reduced my carb intake BS settled down again and managed to gain weight also felt much better in myself."

Sleepylu low fat to lose weight and Graham64 more fats to gain weight, yet you and others are saying that "Low-carb + high fat = good".

The more I look into this the more confusing it gets. How can "High fat" be good if you put on weight that you may not need or want to?

The day before my second blood test I ate my normal carbs (breads and potatoes) but no fats/chicken skin and my colesterol levels were normal, how can that be explained?

Can anyone, expert or not, guarantee that if I went the low carb/high fat way I would not gain loads of weight and that my colesterol will not shoot sky high?

Decisions, decisions! :?
 
Hi Eric,

If you're eating the recommended high-carb/low-fat diet, then it's not advised that you
take in more than 35% of total calories from fat.

If you're low-carbing, who knows?(or cares). :wink:

Sorry, Eric, it's past my bedtime. :shock:

Good luck,
timo.
 
Hi Eric,

if I can pitch in, there are a few unarguable principles that you need to remember when you think about these issues.
The first is that you cannot gain weight without insulin. Further, the more insulin in your system,the greater the weight gain. Carbohydrates have a high demand for insulin, fat needs little or no insulin at all. Carbohydrates therefore are uniquely fattening.
Cholesterol is a very poor indicator of heart disease risk. The medical profession focuses on it largely because it is cheap and easy to measure. The more difficult and costly measurement is of triglyceride levels, but they are also a far better indicator of heart disease risk. Once again, carbohydrates greatly increase triglyceride levels but fats do not.

All the best,

fergus
 
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