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Exercise & tablets

Dele5064

Newbie
Messages
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Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi all

I was diagnosed with LADA in June. I am on Metformin & Glicklazide to control my BSL which is staying around 6.0. I do (or did!) a lot of exercise - gym 4 times a week and road biking most weekends, rides around 35-50 miles. On the advice of my consultant I didn't do any "excessive" exercises for 6 weeks whilst my body adjusts. I am now starting to experiment with how I need to fuel to get back to the types of activity of previously. It is frustrating as it can vary depending on exercise type, which I am starting to understand but what I am after is any tips on good fuelling foods whilst exercising. I am ensuring I have something before exercise but for longer sessions such as 45min road cycle , no hills,good snacking ideas. I did this first cycle last week and had a bite of a Fruseli bar and drink every 20 mins and my BSL pre ride was 7.5 and after even with snacking was a scarey 3.8!! strangely enough I didn't have a hypo. I know we are all different and it is a HUGE learning curve, but any feedback greatly appreciated

Dele
 
@Dele5064

Hello Dele and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be here to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi and welcome!

I'll also tag in @DaftThoughts , I believe she cycles with LADA.

That I do! :)

Before I was on insulin, I was on metformin and gliclazide. The gliclazide made it extremely difficult for me to control my bs as it triggered random 'bursts' of insulin from my pancreas - there was no way for me to predict what my body would do. I could have two identical rides and eat the same stuff but I'd either go really low or really high.

I did this first cycle last week and had a bite of a Fruseli bar and drink every 20 mins and my BSL pre ride was 7.5 and after even with snacking was a scarey 3.8!! strangely enough I didn't have a hypo.

3.8 is actually a hypo, the cycling just masks the symptoms you usually get from one (as a rapid heartbeat and sweating are occurrences for both). That makes cycling with unpredictable bs a bit more dangerous because you'll notice the symptoms later than usual.

I have no real recommendations to give you because I did not figure out a way to deal with my random values well. I asked to be put on insulin so that I had better control, and now I have my levels so ridiculously stable that when I bike without having meal-time insulin in my system, my bloodsugar stays pretty much level unless I pass the 45 minute mark of exercise. Then it gradually declines and I just need a snack with a combo of simple and complex carbs. Digestives are good for that, especially the kind that have some dried fruit in them. Easy packaging for a quick fix.

All I can tell you is to test and experiment. Test frequently - every 15-20 minutes if you have to so you can see whether you're trending up or down - and eat enough fast acting carbs to keep up with the body's insulin release. I keep a stash of glucose tabs in my saddlebags as well just in case I forget my purse with my supplies. I also recommend wearing a medical ID bracelet (I have a paracord one that doesn't budge even in the event of an accident) so that you're identified as a diabetic quicker should you ever pass out from a hypo on your rides.

If you're comfortable with it, try to run a little higher (between 7-9) when you start exercising. That's one thing that saved me from a few hypos, I just ate some sugary **** to boost my level. I'd sometimes crash from a 10 to a 3.5 in under an hour of exercise and god knows what would have happened if I hadn't eaten the sugar beforehand.

And finally, just keep an eye on things for about 3-6 months. If your situation doesn't improve, then it's probably a good idea to switch to insulin. You have much greater control with insulin than you do with tablets. Even if you're only taking tiny amounts of insulin (like 1 unit for a full meal), at least you're not caught off guard when the pills cause a random hiccup. You will experience honeymoon hiccups as it is as your insulin production declines with time, so what you're dealing with right now is only bound to get worse.

You can also opt to not take gliclazide for a while and see how your sugars do without when you exercise. I don't know what your pre-medication values have been like? I skipped my gliclazide sometimes when I knew I'd be out cycling for an hour or two and it helped a bit, but you should only do this if you know you can do it safely and your health care team has no objections to the experimenting.
 
@Dele5064

Hello Dele and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be here to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi All

thank you so much for your prompt responses, I had done research (obvs :)) and found most of the things that you sent through, but still thank you.

And as I suspected - it is going to be experimentation regarding Levels for exercise, it was really great to hear from someone who had the same issues, myself and my husband were both starting to think that may be I am responding "to well" to the level of Glic that I am on, I am seeing my consultant again in Sept so will discuss this with him.

Thanks for the support Peeps - good to know you are there

xx
 
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