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False Hypos

andygeller

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Hi. I'm Andy Geller, I'm 75 (egads!) and I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes 15 years ago. My current treatment isn't going so well. One of the problems is that I have false hypos. That is I have the symptoms of hypoglycemia -- high pulse rate, sweating, feeling shaky -- without having a blood sugar of less than 70. My body reacts to this by pushing up my blood sugar. My current endo (aka Cold Fish) said he never heard of this before I mentioned it to him. Has anyone out there experienced this? Do you know what causes it? Cold Fish, saying he is not a diabetes expert, has recommended that I find such a person. Does anyone know of a good diabetes doctor in New York City? I might even be willing to come to London (used to have a membership the Tate -- wonderful.)
 
Happy New Year and welcome to the forums (fora?).
In theory, false hypos go away if you keep your blood sugars lower (ie not too high) for long enough, as they're a response to your body being used to living at a higher level. I hadn't heard of your liver responding to them by pushing your bg up, but it makes sense.
Lots of T2s here get excellent results by reducing their carbohydrate intake, and if I were in your position that would be my first attempt at improving things, but that does depend a little on what medications you're on.
I'll tag @daisy1 to post the excellent newbie introduction to diabetes and the forums post.
Edited to add: it might help to post what sort of blood sugars you're running at (or your latest hba1c) and your current medication.
 
@andygeller
Hello Andy and welcome to the Forum Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
False hypo's happen... And it'd be nice if your doc knew that! Dunno about the liver solving them by doing a quick glucose dump though, but then, whenever I had one I just ate a little, before finding out I should just let my body get used to normal bloodsugarlevels. Eventually, it did.

The way to get rid of all this? Eating low carb. Provided you're not on meds that'll make you actually hypo, because if you go low carb (carbs translate directly into glucose. Not just sugars, but starches too), your bloodsugar'll drop too, and may drop too far if you're medicated. If you want to seek knowledge, I suggest Dr. Jason Fung's books. (The Diabetes Code is a good place to start) He's amazing, basically, and tends to make sense, even to the medical novice. (Could be a good late christmas gift for the Chilly Cod too. ) He's in Toronto I believe, so not too far off NYC, but from what I gather it's near impossible to get booked in. He's THAT good. But the books'll sort you out, I'm sure. Or dietdoctor.com.
 

Many thanks. I'm going to check out Dr. Fung's books. I do try to have a low-carb diet but often fail. I definitely try to avoid certain foods that I know will raise my blood sugar -- milk (including lattes), potatoes, pasta, rice, muffins, pastry and bread (to a lesser extent). This is particular hardship because I frequent a bakery that makes wonderful chocolate croissants. I am also losing weight (very slowly). I am guilty of not taking this disease seriously enough. A former coworker who is a diabetic is losing his sight and kidney function. And he's 10 years YOUNGER than I am.
 
A former coworker who is a diabetic is losing his sight and kidney function. And he's 10 years YOUNGER than I am.

Let this person's complications be your motivation. It can happen to anyone who does not control their blood sugars properly, young or old.
 
Welcome @andygeller ! So glad to see another American here; I have only met a handful so far. Did you find you a good diabetes dr? I’ll ask my brother in law, who is a recently retired obesity research endocrinologist. He knows everybody in the world, I swear.
Is anyone in your household interested in recipes and food chat? Take a look at the Food and Nutrition heading>Low Carb Diet>What have you eaten today? You will get more ideas than you can shake a stick at plus learn how to have your cake/croissant(maybe)/chocolate and eat it too! I am savoring a square of Lindt 90% chocolate as I type. Never ever thought I would declare a bitter chocolate the height of luxury.
Let me tag @shelley262 to see if she’s ever thought about croissant making!
Yes, let your coworker’s mess be your motivation. We are here to cheer you on! chris
 
In my family and friends, there were various deaths (heart) and amputations (both legs, above the knee) aside from eyeproblems, and what have you... It's a big motivator, especially since my husband is already my carer, and I don't want him to have to use a crane to heave me into bed, wipe my ***, bathe me, and then, after years of that, become an early widower. I hate being a burden, and I've seen what carers in my family went through. The strain it put on them, their marriages, their personal happiness and quality of life. T2 complications don't just happen to other people. It could be us, if we don't tackle it while we can, and it will affect others too. Not to use scare-tactics, just saying what keeps me on the straight and keto.

It is easier when you eat things you like to eat... I enjoy my meals. Makes it more doable to stick with it. Also easier when you don't frequent a bakery. Is not going there anymore an option? (I know I'm usually fine, but the sight of a high tea can make me weep. So I void those!) Right now, it's all rather demotivating because I'm stuck with medication for 3 months that makes me gain weight. But my bloodsugars, in spite of a cold right now, are still within range, so I know it'll all get better when I can stop these temporary meds in another month and a half. Even if my weight has gone up about 8 pounds or so, (which makes me heart ache, because just before this happened I was one pound away from my target weight!) I know it is temporary, and my bloods are still fine. So I'm stubbornly hanging in there with the 20 grams or less a day, regardless.

Just figure out what you want, and how badly you want it. What you're willing to sacrifice, and how you can make it feel like less of a sacrifice to do it. What you need to do to achive that goal and what your pitfalls are, how to work around those... You'll get here. Just really give it some thought. (The Fung books will help)
Good luck,
Jo
 
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