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Fast acting insulins 'bolus shots'

anna29

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Hello All .

I am looking for information on the fast acting insulins and the easiest way/methods
to work out the amount of carbs .

Which bolus insulins are the slowest or the fastest etc ?

How do you work out your carbs eaten and calculate for the bolus needed ?

Do you bolus with every meal ?

Thanks Anna.
 
anna29 said:
Hello All .

I am looking for information on the fast acting insulins and the easiest way/methods
to work out the amount of carbs .

Which bolus insulins are the slowest or the fastest etc ?

How do you work out your carbs eaten and calculate for the bolus needed ?

Do you bolus with every meal ?

Thanks Anna.

I use the carbs and cals app to calculate my carbs mostly, or the "serving spoon" method my dietician showed me. Ie one serving spoon of pasta is 10g carb (I eat pasta often!)

To calculate the bolus I use 0.5 unit for 10g carb. The DAFNE app I have allows you to input your ratios then auto calculates based on the carb value I I out. Easy peasy :)

I'm in the honeymoon period so I currently only bolus for lunch and dinner (unless I'm splurging on something). Prior to the honeymoon I used 1unit per 12g carb for breakfast, lunch and snacks, and per 15g at dinner

I think in all this I'm generally the exception, not the rule!
 
I have the carbs and cals book. I've no idea how to work out your ratio to carbs I was told by my dsn to use 2 units of insulin per 10g of carbs so that's what I do.
 
Hi Anna!

anna29 said:
I am looking for information on the fast acting insulins and the easiest way/methods
to work out the amount of carbs .

Which bolus insulins are the slowest or the fastest etc ?.

There are two main types of bolus - short-acting and rapid-acting. Short-acting needs to be jabbed about 45 minutes before you eat and last a lot longer in the body. I don't think these are used much these days. The boluses that most of us now use are the rapid-acting - Apidra, Novorapid or Humalog. They are all pretty similar as I understand it. You jab them just before or just after a meal. They work within about 10 to 15 minutes and are out of the system in 3 to 4 hours. However, they work differently for different people and different types of food. I use Apidra - I find it quite aggressive in its action. I jab just before eating and its used within 3 hours, so if I have a high fat meal, I sometimes have to split the dose and take a little with the meal and another unit or so 2 to 3 hours later. Many people report that Novorapid is slower to get started and has a bit of a tail at around 4 hours. My consultant denies this is the case and I haven't used it, so can't say for sure, but so many people claim this that I'm inclined to believe it.

Humalog and Novorapid can have 0.5 unit increment pens, whereas Apidra only has a 1 unit increment pen. To get around this, I use the Eli-Lilly Humapen Luxura HD (which is meant for Humalog) with the Apidra cartridges - it works very well although I doubt you'd get a nurse to recommend it.


anna29 said:
How do you work out your carbs eaten and calculate for the bolus needed ?

I have the Carb, calorie and fat bible (or something like that) and it has all the major foods in it with their carb content per 100g. For most of my favourite foods, I now know the carb content of 100g, so I don't usually need the book anymore.
At first I used to weigh everything precisely - after a while you can judge how much a portion of something weighs. My mobile phone has a calculator, so I use that to work out the carb content of each item in my meal and then add it all up. As my insulin:carb ratio is 1:8 (sort of) I then divide the total by 8 to arrive at the insulin dose I need. The best advice is to start out assuming an insulin:carb ratio of 1:10 and adjust from there. You should also assume a unit of insulin will drop you 3mmol and, again, adjust from there. Actually, a unit drops me by a little over 4mmol. Now I know that a roast dinner of my normal portion size needs 2.5 - 3 units Apidra, so when I eat out I know what to jab for that meal and don't need to work it out.

anna29 said:
Do you bolus with every meal ?

Yes. Even no and low-carb meals. At first I didn't need to jab for a chicken salad lunch, for example, but after a while my BG was rising into the 7s and taking several hours to come back down, so now I jab 1.5 units for my lunch. I would even jab 1 unit for bacon and eggs. It's a bit trial and error, but you work out what your body needs in the end. I have to jab for the protein elements of the meal because I low-carb (50g a day) and my body turns part of the protein to glucose. I think if you high or normal carb, you'd be taking much more insulin and the protein bit would be lost in the noise and not worth jabbing for.

I find it best to eat 3 meals and jab for each. Snacks are problematic as I would need extra jabs for those and you can start stacking the insulin if you're not careful, so I don't snack usually. If I do snack it would be a few almonds or a small piece of cheese for example to avoid another jab.

Take care

Smidge
 
Hi All .

Thanks for all your replies everyone .

I have to consider a new basal/bolus regime as my BG levels have crept up more than a 'bit'
straight after eating and it stays 'peaked' for longer now also .
Things will have to change to prevent damage over time escalating .

Currently useing an intermediate basal hypurin porcine isophane insulin only .
[plus victoza glp1 peptide enzyme I can tollerate this one ' very well ' indeed :thumbup: ]
With the basal onset being what it is - its not always reached its fullest backgrounding onset after my meal

Hence my levels have been creeping up without the background at its fullest performance .
Thanks phoenix for the useful chart link :thumbup:

Have felt this is something I need to address and tackle now .
Need more tweaking to get things more stable and levels lowered after a meal .
I can only eat small portions and the basal only therapy worked well initially , now things have
gradually changed with higher numbers remaining 'longer' etc...
It has been a progressive kind of thing happened gradually over time .

Am trying to weigh up which bolus insulin and therapy would be most suited for me .
I need it to be effective yet not drag me down too quickly or fast .

I have extreme medical intollerances so have to do my homework first :)
Never having had a bolus routine only the intermediate basal porcine insulin .
Couldnt tollerate levemir/lanctus human insulins, as I reacted to the preservatives used in them .

Am wary of encountering more problems with the wrong bolus insulin hence me raising this question to you all .

Thanks Anna.
 
Hi Porcine users,
I've been on porcine neutral and isophane for just on a year but my HBA1c keep going up. Last one was 8.8% and I am finding it difficult to use the neutral. I am peaking high and it seems to take 4 - 5 hours to start working. I've tried injecting at breakfast and at tea time and sometimes I've injected at lunch times. When I've done the 3 injections, with normal eating, I seem to have a case of neutral stacking and I end up in hypo towards the late evenings or during the night. The only time I've had any success was on recent hoilday when I did eat...a lot but not much carbs..I needed to inject 40 units of neutral 3 times a day and 30 units of isophane at breakfast and around 8pm. I had very good figures.

I usually inject 20-30units neutral at breakfast and tea time and 20 units isophane at breakfast and at 8pm with 'normal' eating and my BMs take a long time to come down..I've hit 25plus at times. I'm not eating a lot of carbs .....I used to carb count when I used novo rapid.. but that went out the window when I started porcine. If I have scrambled eggs and 2 slices bacon and tomatoes I would need to inject 34 units neutral and this takes about 4 hours to start working.

I seem to be using about 4-5 times the amount of neutral vs novo rapid. My system couldn't take levemir and lantus and I suffered badly for 3 years.

I would like to know how porcine users get on with their eating/units.
 
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