Liam1955
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Hi @Liam1955Hi @letstalk1 - were you told to lose the weight slowly around 2lb a week? Losing weight far too quickly can make a Fatty Liver much worse.
I just had on Tuesday my 6 monthly Liver Scan. Have got reapeat (6 monthly) Endoscopy and Fibroscan appointments to follow shortly.
Thanks, @Liam1955 . It does seem at odds with the Newcastle diet method, so I will do a bit of searching.Hi @Pipp - No, Sorry don't know of any links. But, I did look up on the Internet: Losing weight too quickly can make Fatty Liver worse. (check it out)
The Hepatologist who I saw recently (see him every 4 months) actually told me that it can make Fatty Liver worse with a lot of weight suddenly lost, and to lose it slowly at 2lb a week.
Hi @letstalk1 - were you told to lose the weight slowly around 2lb a week? Losing weight far too quickly can make a Fatty Liver much worse.
I just had on Tuesday my 6 monthly Liver Scan. Have got repeat (6 monthly) Endoscopy and Fibroscan appointments to follow shortly and masses of Blood Tests. (Not surprised I have Iron Deficiency Aneamia with the monthly Blood Tests I have done for an assortment of Health Issues).
I was only told not to bother trying to lose weight, that it was impossible for a diabetic on insulin.
Ann
Thanks, @Liam1955 . It does seem at odds with the Newcastle diet method, so I will do a bit of searching.
Just demonstrates that we all need to look at all the facts before making informed decisions on diets and methods of controlling T2, and applying knowledge to our own individual, unique circumstances.
I have never been told that , thanks for asking Liam-- Im JoyHi @letstalk1 - were you told to lose the weight slowly around 2lb a week? Losing weight far too quickly can make a Fatty Liver much worse.
I just had on Tuesday my 6 monthly Liver Scan. Have got repeat (6 monthly) Endoscopy and Fibroscan appointments to follow shortly and masses of Blood Tests. (Not surprised I have Iron Deficiency Aneamia with the monthly Blood Tests I have done for an assortment of Health Issues).
Pretty sure this is the liver shrinking diet I followed for the week or two leading up to my Roux-En-Y bypass:-
DIET THREE – MENU IDEAS
It is important to have 3 meals a day with 1-2 snacks if required
Breakfast Choices
1 small glass pure fruit juice (150ml) – orange, apple, pineapple, cranberry
(only 1 small glass of pure juice per day)
or 1piece of sliced fruit on a breakfast cereal
With
Small bowl (35g) unsweetened cereal with 150ml skimmed or semi skimmed milk from allowance
All cereals can be sweetened with granulated artificial sweetener if necessary
Good cereals to choose from are:-
Weetabix
Plain porridge, loose or sachet,
avoid flavoured porridges which have added sugar
Bran Flakes – avoid choices with died fruit and nuts
Shreddies – original only, avoid the frosted, chocolate or honey coated choices
Shredded Wheat – 1 large biscuit or bite size, original only, avoid honey nut choices or any options containing dried fruit
All Bran – original choice only
Special K – original choice only
Avoid all cereals which are coated with sugar/honey/yogurt/chocolate/coco or with frosting, or have dried fruit. Also avoid muesli and granola, even low sugar versions. All of these choices are very high in sugar and could affect your blood sugar levels
Avoid breakfast biscuits and bars as these can also be high in sugar.
or
2 slices of wholemeal or granary bread/toast (from a 400g loaf) with a thin scraping of low fat spread
Do not add any jam/marmalade/lemon curd/chocolate spread/peanut butter to bread
Lunch Choices
2 slice of wholemeal bread (from a 400g loaf)
or 4 wholegrain/whole wheat crackers e.g. Ryvita or similar crispbreads.
or 1 medium soft Tortilla, preferably wholemeal
or 1 small wholemeal pitta bread
No spread such as butter or margarine, even low fat options
With
1 medium slice of ham, beef, chicken
or 80g low fat fish e.g. tuna in spring water or brine – not oil
or 80g fat free cottage cheese – natural or onion and chive, avoid pineapple
or 1 egg, boiled or scrambled with small amount of semi skimmed milk and cooked without fat
Serve with a raw salad
This could contain a mix of lettuce, cucumber, radishes, tomatoes, red and yellow peppers, grated carrot, and celery
Salad dressing – any bought fat free salad dressing, 15ml only, or balsamic vinegar
Avoid any dressing containing oil, cream, cheese or mayonnaise
Or
200g low calorie vegetable soup – preferably home made.
If using a bought soup from a tin or carton try to avoid soups containing potatoes, or pulses including beans, peas and lentils
With 1 slice ham or beef or chicken or 80g fat free cottage cheese or 80g low fat fish
and
2 slice wholemeal bread or 4 wholemeal/wholegrain crackers – no spread
Dinner Choices
Small portion of meat or chicken or fish (80g) – cooked without fat
e.g. sliced ham or beef, skinless chicken breast (avoid the brown meat)
low fat white fish such as tuna, cod, haddock
or Quorn, plain pieces or minced only
With
2 small potatoes – jacket or boiled (120g)
or 4 tablespoons boiled rice
or 4 tablespoons pasta, preferably wholemeal
With
3 to 4 tablespoons vegetables
e.g. carrots, turnip, onions, leeks, parsnips, broccoli, cabbage
avoid peas, beans, lentils, or sweetcorn
or small side dish of salad
e.g. lettuce, cucumber, peppers, radishes, tomatoes, spring onions, beetroot, carrots
– add oil free low calorie dressing if required (15ml)
avoid peas, beans, lentils, or sweetcorn
Or
Homemade vegetable soup – 300g maximum
or 300g tinned or chilled carton soup which does not contain potatoes, sweetcorn, or pulses such as beans, peas or lentils
With
40g meat/chicken/fish – cooked without fat
e.g. sliced ham or beef, skinless chicken breast (avoid the brown meat)
low fat white fish such as tuna, cod, haddock
or Quorn, plain pieces or minced only
and
2 slice of wholemeal bread (from a 400g loaf) or 4 wholegrain/whole wheat crackers e.g. Ryvita or similar crispbreads
Daily
½ pint skimmed or semi skimmed milk for use with cereals or in drinks
1 fat free diet natural or fruit flavoured yogurt (max 150g/d)
2 portions of fruit (this is in addition to the glass of fruit juice or piece of fruit recommended to have with breakfast)
e.g. medium sized apple, orange, pear, banana, peach, nectarine
small handful of strawberries, blackberries, cherries, blueberries
tinned fruit in natural juice is acceptable but drain off all juice (160g max)
Fat free Yogurt and fruit from allowance can be combined to make a snack e.g. chopped banana and yogurt, or eaten separately either between meals or after meals as a pudding
Drinks
2L of fluid per day is recommended. This is the amount you will be required to drink after your bariatric surgery, and in the longer term to avoid constipation and promote weight
loss. We strongly advise patients to get into the habit of drinking adequate amounts of fluid before surgery
Recommended daily fluid intake does not need to be solely from water, although this liquid will hydrate you the best
Choose from the following:-
Water – tap, bottled, still or carbonated* - flavoured water is acceptable but check labels to ensure that it is sugar free
Tea – all types including black and green teas and flavoured teas
Coffee – all types including caffeinated and de-caffeinated – avoid Coffee Mate even the low sugar/fat varieties
Sugar Free Squashes – all flavours
Sugar free fizzy drinks* – e.g. Diet Coke, Pepsi Max, diet lemonade
*At this stage these drinks are acceptable however following any bariatric surgery they are not recommended as they can cause trapped gas so try and reduce the amount you have in the follow up to surgery
Pretty sure this is the liver shrinking diet I followed for the week or two leading up to my Roux-En-Y bypass:-
DIET THREE – MENU IDEAS
It is important to have 3 meals a day with 1-2 snacks if required
Breakfast Choices
1 small glass pure fruit juice (150ml) – orange, apple, pineapple, cranberry
(only 1 small glass of pure juice per day)
or 1piece of sliced fruit on a breakfast cereal
With
Small bowl (35g) unsweetened cereal with 150ml skimmed or semi skimmed milk from allowance
All cereals can be sweetened with granulated artificial sweetener if necessary
Good cereals to choose from are:-
Weetabix
Plain porridge, loose or sachet,
avoid flavoured porridges which have added sugar
Bran Flakes – avoid choices with died fruit and nuts
Shreddies – original only, avoid the frosted, chocolate or honey coated choices
Shredded Wheat – 1 large biscuit or bite size, original only, avoid honey nut choices or any options containing dried fruit
All Bran – original choice only
Special K – original choice only
Avoid all cereals which are coated with sugar/honey/yogurt/chocolate/coco or with frosting, or have dried fruit. Also avoid muesli and granola, even low sugar versions. All of these choices are very high in sugar and could affect your blood sugar levels
Avoid breakfast biscuits and bars as these can also be high in sugar.
or
2 slices of wholemeal or granary bread/toast (from a 400g loaf) with a thin scraping of low fat spread
Do not add any jam/marmalade/lemon curd/chocolate spread/peanut butter to bread
Lunch Choices
2 slice of wholemeal bread (from a 400g loaf)
or 4 wholegrain/whole wheat crackers e.g. Ryvita or similar crispbreads.
or 1 medium soft Tortilla, preferably wholemeal
or 1 small wholemeal pitta bread
No spread such as butter or margarine, even low fat options
With
1 medium slice of ham, beef, chicken
or 80g low fat fish e.g. tuna in spring water or brine – not oil
or 80g fat free cottage cheese – natural or onion and chive, avoid pineapple
or 1 egg, boiled or scrambled with small amount of semi skimmed milk and cooked without fat
Serve with a raw salad
This could contain a mix of lettuce, cucumber, radishes, tomatoes, red and yellow peppers, grated carrot, and celery
Salad dressing – any bought fat free salad dressing, 15ml only, or balsamic vinegar
Avoid any dressing containing oil, cream, cheese or mayonnaise
Or
200g low calorie vegetable soup – preferably home made.
If using a bought soup from a tin or carton try to avoid soups containing potatoes, or pulses including beans, peas and lentils
With 1 slice ham or beef or chicken or 80g fat free cottage cheese or 80g low fat fish
and
2 slice wholemeal bread or 4 wholemeal/wholegrain crackers – no spread
Dinner Choices
Small portion of meat or chicken or fish (80g) – cooked without fat
e.g. sliced ham or beef, skinless chicken breast (avoid the brown meat)
low fat white fish such as tuna, cod, haddock
or Quorn, plain pieces or minced only
With
2 small potatoes – jacket or boiled (120g)
or 4 tablespoons boiled rice
or 4 tablespoons pasta, preferably wholemeal
With
3 to 4 tablespoons vegetables
e.g. carrots, turnip, onions, leeks, parsnips, broccoli, cabbage
avoid peas, beans, lentils, or sweetcorn
or small side dish of salad
e.g. lettuce, cucumber, peppers, radishes, tomatoes, spring onions, beetroot, carrots
– add oil free low calorie dressing if required (15ml)
avoid peas, beans, lentils, or sweetcorn
Or
Homemade vegetable soup – 300g maximum
or 300g tinned or chilled carton soup which does not contain potatoes, sweetcorn, or pulses such as beans, peas or lentils
With
40g meat/chicken/fish – cooked without fat
e.g. sliced ham or beef, skinless chicken breast (avoid the brown meat)
low fat white fish such as tuna, cod, haddock
or Quorn, plain pieces or minced only
and
2 slice of wholemeal bread (from a 400g loaf) or 4 wholegrain/whole wheat crackers e.g. Ryvita or similar crispbreads
Daily
½ pint skimmed or semi skimmed milk for use with cereals or in drinks
1 fat free diet natural or fruit flavoured yogurt (max 150g/d)
2 portions of fruit (this is in addition to the glass of fruit juice or piece of fruit recommended to have with breakfast)
e.g. medium sized apple, orange, pear, banana, peach, nectarine
small handful of strawberries, blackberries, cherries, blueberries
tinned fruit in natural juice is acceptable but drain off all juice (160g max)
Fat free Yogurt and fruit from allowance can be combined to make a snack e.g. chopped banana and yogurt, or eaten separately either between meals or after meals as a pudding
Drinks
2L of fluid per day is recommended. This is the amount you will be required to drink after your bariatric surgery, and in the longer term to avoid constipation and promote weight
loss. We strongly advise patients to get into the habit of drinking adequate amounts of fluid before surgery
Recommended daily fluid intake does not need to be solely from water, although this liquid will hydrate you the best
Choose from the following:-
Water – tap, bottled, still or carbonated* - flavoured water is acceptable but check labels to ensure that it is sugar free
Tea – all types including black and green teas and flavoured teas
Coffee – all types including caffeinated and de-caffeinated – avoid Coffee Mate even the low sugar/fat varieties
Sugar Free Squashes – all flavours
Sugar free fizzy drinks* – e.g. Diet Coke, Pepsi Max, diet lemonade
*At this stage these drinks are acceptable however following any bariatric surgery they are not recommended as they can cause trapped gas so try and reduce the amount you have in the follow up to surgery
thanks for pointing that out. I could see it. Carborific, processed foods and heyRecen is the last time I drank fruit juice straight up., I am thinking a gooHd way to kill the pancreas on the way to assisting the liver
Have they investigated you for blood loss Liam? When ferritin is too high it comes down if one donates blood twice per year. The fat emporer reckons high ferritin is a marker of CVD! When I retired early from my main career I worked for nine years in medical physics and they labelled one's blood with a radio isotope and scanned the patient with a gamma camera and found where the blood loss was by the amount of radiation in that part of the body. (It wasn't a job I did myself I worked on cancer treatment machines.) Atb DerekJust to update - Received today my 6 monthly Blood Test Results for B12 = my result is: 408 (range is 197 - 771). Hepatologist is happy with this number.
He is not so happy with the Ferritin result of 26 ? For the Iron Deficiency Aneamia (In May it was 19) But, I am eating more Iron enriched foods than ever.
Appointments being arranged for repeat Endoscopy and Fibroscan. Had my 6 monthly Liver MRI Scan done yesterday.
Hi William I am still having difficulties deciding about cardioversion. The heart is stopped and restarted to stop the afib which is self reinforcing when in that mode. It can cause a stroke and there is only 20% chance of success at 78.Results of recent MRI Liver Scan show "stable appearances"? (that's all the letter says).
On 19th September having the Endoscopy done and think? I will have the Throat Spray for this procedure.
After a discussion with my GP I decided to stop the Biological Drug (the Injection was due last week) and will see there is any effect on my LFT Bloods which is to be done in October.
@lindisfel - Have you decided on the Cardioversion? And what do they do?
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