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<blockquote data-quote="D@n1el" data-source="post: 2242906" data-attributes="member: 517441"><p>Thank you so much for all the replies (all without exception very helpful)!</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would like to add (I believe this info was missing) I do exercise, with resistance training and jogging 3 times a week. Things were never as good as when I fasted 23:1 and exercised in the morning during the very last hours of fast. When I was doing that, during 2 weeks I'd get morning BG as low as 75 mg/dL. Then a small cold came, my appetite went up, my BG started to rise again, I've started to try more aggressive IFs and it was never the same, now nearly a month after the cold is gone (at least its symptoms are).</p><p></p><p></p><p>So March started with the best BG ever and it ended with my levels getting back to the start (= 4 months ago), but I am 7 kg leaner, I have less weight to lose. In my head, the only way out of this was trying harder.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Some of Dr. Fung's points of view have been on my mind lately, particularly that one <strong>Indy51</strong> mentions: people with low BMI should stay away from IF. I believe he mentions that at least on 2 books I read: Diabetes Code and Complete Guide to Fasting. A few days ago, I've visit a <a href="https://thefastingmethod.com/1-rule-fasting/" target="_blank">url <span style="color: rgb(44, 44, 44)">in which he puts is slightly different, he says "I don’t recommend that anybody fast longer than 24 hours if they have a BMI< 20."</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hence, maybe I could keep at least the 24-hour IF? Maybe I've made a crucial mistake, thinking that whatever made my BG higher after finally being optimal (all during last month) would disappear with more aggressive fasts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But then I would like also to mention <strong>Dr Snoddy</strong>: "Also, given the current global pandemic, do you want to continue to stress your immune system?". No way (and thanks!)! I was very worried during the last 12 hours, thinking about having to go to a hospital. I'd probably be better off if for a while I don't try anything that is too much. Thanks again.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, things are confusing sometimes. While Fung is worried about BMI and focus on carbs, Roy Taylor relativizes BMI a bit and focus on calories (just read his incredible new book, "Life Without Diabetes: The Definitive Guide to Understanding and Reversing Type 2 Diabetes"). From what I read, to Mr. Taylor everyone has its optimal weight, and sometimes it might be below the usual parameters of BMI. That's another problem I see: sometimes diabetes books seem a little tautological to me: if you have T2 you have fat liver/pancreas, period, and if you have T2, no matter if your weight equals a mosquito, you're fat inside, period. I also find another problem, I'm yet to read a diabetes book that gives a little more attention to lean diabetes, at least more than footnotes here and there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>About LADA (thanks <strong>Indy51</strong>), it's a great possibility. Wonder if I can sort it out a little later this year (maybe when the pandemic starts to fall?), I am a little afraid to go to labs and hospitals. Anyway, just by speculation, the fact I'm 45 is not a little on the too late side for LADA (though still possible)? I do have normal but somewhat low fasting insulin (last year exams read 4.2 mU/L and stated 3 mU/L to 25 mU/L as normal range). Also, my mother (and all his side of the family) and my brothers all have T2, wouldn't this raise the chances I'm not LADA but T2, too? They’re all overweight, I am not, but that's because I do not eat like they do (when I did, I was overweight). But before low carb, I ate bad (the worst food possible, but in lower quantities). Again, just speculation, I will eventually get my c-peptide and GAD antibodies!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D@n1el, post: 2242906, member: 517441"] Thank you so much for all the replies (all without exception very helpful)! I would like to add (I believe this info was missing) I do exercise, with resistance training and jogging 3 times a week. Things were never as good as when I fasted 23:1 and exercised in the morning during the very last hours of fast. When I was doing that, during 2 weeks I'd get morning BG as low as 75 mg/dL. Then a small cold came, my appetite went up, my BG started to rise again, I've started to try more aggressive IFs and it was never the same, now nearly a month after the cold is gone (at least its symptoms are). So March started with the best BG ever and it ended with my levels getting back to the start (= 4 months ago), but I am 7 kg leaner, I have less weight to lose. In my head, the only way out of this was trying harder. Some of Dr. Fung's points of view have been on my mind lately, particularly that one [B]Indy51[/B] mentions: people with low BMI should stay away from IF. I believe he mentions that at least on 2 books I read: Diabetes Code and Complete Guide to Fasting. A few days ago, I've visit a [URL='https://thefastingmethod.com/1-rule-fasting/']url [COLOR=rgb(44, 44, 44)]in which he puts is slightly different, he says "I don’t recommend that anybody fast longer than 24 hours if they have a BMI< 20."[/COLOR][/URL] Hence, maybe I could keep at least the 24-hour IF? Maybe I've made a crucial mistake, thinking that whatever made my BG higher after finally being optimal (all during last month) would disappear with more aggressive fasts. But then I would like also to mention [B]Dr Snoddy[/B]: "Also, given the current global pandemic, do you want to continue to stress your immune system?". No way (and thanks!)! I was very worried during the last 12 hours, thinking about having to go to a hospital. I'd probably be better off if for a while I don't try anything that is too much. Thanks again. Anyway, things are confusing sometimes. While Fung is worried about BMI and focus on carbs, Roy Taylor relativizes BMI a bit and focus on calories (just read his incredible new book, "Life Without Diabetes: The Definitive Guide to Understanding and Reversing Type 2 Diabetes"). From what I read, to Mr. Taylor everyone has its optimal weight, and sometimes it might be below the usual parameters of BMI. That's another problem I see: sometimes diabetes books seem a little tautological to me: if you have T2 you have fat liver/pancreas, period, and if you have T2, no matter if your weight equals a mosquito, you're fat inside, period. I also find another problem, I'm yet to read a diabetes book that gives a little more attention to lean diabetes, at least more than footnotes here and there. About LADA (thanks [B]Indy51[/B]), it's a great possibility. Wonder if I can sort it out a little later this year (maybe when the pandemic starts to fall?), I am a little afraid to go to labs and hospitals. Anyway, just by speculation, the fact I'm 45 is not a little on the too late side for LADA (though still possible)? I do have normal but somewhat low fasting insulin (last year exams read 4.2 mU/L and stated 3 mU/L to 25 mU/L as normal range). Also, my mother (and all his side of the family) and my brothers all have T2, wouldn't this raise the chances I'm not LADA but T2, too? They’re all overweight, I am not, but that's because I do not eat like they do (when I did, I was overweight). But before low carb, I ate bad (the worst food possible, but in lower quantities). Again, just speculation, I will eventually get my c-peptide and GAD antibodies! [/QUOTE]
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