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First Telephone Contact With DN @ Hospital!

Libby3781

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162
Location
Bridgend, South Wales
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Insulin
This afternoon I have to phone my DN nurse with an update of my bg levels.

For some reason I’m feeling really stressed, and anxious about it.

Yesterday, was the only day I didn’t eat 3 meals. I had my breakfast/lunch....was then out all day and only had later supper.

That meant I did my morning insulin once (NovoRapid) and overnight insulin (Levemir) at bedtime. I’m really worried about what she’s going to say.

Second week on the NovoRapid, and it’s not looking any better than last week. Is it normal for me to feel like this? Thanks for replies, much appreciated x
 
Hi @Libby3781, Based on my 52 years experience as a diabetic and not professional advice or opinion:
Unfortunately many health professionals seem to think that we are children who have to eat X vegetables, carbs etc each day, have 3 meals every single day and disallow that we might have feelings and our own life to lead.
Not that I am saying all HCPs are like this.
But where faced with an artificial parent-child scenario, and when we are trying to cope with our diabetes, it is very easy to feel that we will be punished for not obeying the parent. And threats like," If you do not follow what you are told you will get complications later" is a really underhand way sometimes to force something they call compliance. "Do as I say " (but I do not have to because I am the boss and do not have your illness). "What do you need"? is the far better approach.
We are not all the same. The question is not how will they remould you into their idea of what is best for you.
The question is how can they be flexible enough to help you tailor management of your diabetes to your lifestyle and needs. ?
Yes, certain parameters may apply regards best range of BSLs and keeping weight in a flexible and comfortable-for-you range.
But if you were to do a survey of people in general, how many do not have breakfast? How many do not have lunch? Do some have high tea and then dinner?
Years ago I was so thrilled when I went onto the Novorapid (Australian brand of your Novarapid) and twice daily Levemir (at my insistence not the doctor's) because it gave me that flexibility I needed. I could skip lunch if I was busy - no more pressure to eat all meals on time because my previous insulins did not allow for such choice.
You are a human being doing her very best to cope with diabetes. You do not need to be brow-beaten or to feel that way by anyone, particularly those of the helping professions.
Be as brave as you can and state what you need. Make out a list of such needs and require (no pleading, just quietly request and keep doing so) that your health team adapt to your needs, not you to theirs'.
How to deal with fear that you will upset your nurse? Think about how her demands are upsetting you! How did you and your peers deal with bossy teachers at school? ? By giving them nicknames? And nicknames can be terms of endearment not necessarily wicked ones. Nurse "3 meals per day", "High and Mighty" etc. Humour is a great way to dispel fear. And developing self humour can help: If the nurse ass how the injection technique is going, You could say something: "Oh, you mean javelin practice"? Whatever way you find to make it light hearted. And I always consider blaming the weather if BSLS are not as good as I (I, not thems out there) would like. And the diabetes gremlins are out and about, for doing good and others doing nefarious things. Over time our experience helps us solve some of these mysteries (as well as our use of supportive forums like this one), and helpful health professionals.
Maybe wear something which makes you feel strong and protected, a favourite vest, cardigan, hat etc. Anything which can distract someone a little as you go to your appointment with the nurse.( opps flashback to the movie: One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest and the nurse in that) (Laugh, smile, secret blush at the wicked thought of making such a comparison)!!
Or take along a support person if that is possible and you are comfortable with that.
Sometimes, in hindsight, I wished two things could have happened with certain encounters
1. that I had been able to record the conversation and play it back to the person
2. that I had a dog with me who would have broken up any heated exchanges and use of uncomfortable tone of voice!
You are free to imagine you have a dog with you, who loves and supports you and woofs (in the imagination) to keep you calm and focussed on defusing the escalation that you might fear. (I have done this sometimes and as far as i know I am not insane, but who knows) ?
After all, with the insulin regime they have selected for their own reasons, you have greater flexibility to make it your own.
If the attitude and behaviour of your DN remains unchanged you may need to find one who is not authoritarian, but flexible, who listens and works with you. Chin up and Best Wishes.
The Chinese character for the word "to listen" has the following components: Ears, Eyes, Heart, Undivided Attention.
That is what to expect from your health provider. Signing off, Kite Doctor, Mere Mortal.
 
Hi @Libby3781, Based on my 52 years experience as a diabetic and not professional advice or opinion:
Unfortunately many health professionals seem to think that we are children who have to eat X vegetables, carbs etc each day, have 3 meals every single day and disallow that we might have feelings and our own life to lead.
Not that I am saying all HCPs are like this.
But where faced with an artificial parent-child scenario, and when we are trying to cope with our diabetes, it is very easy to feel that we will be punished for not obeying the parent. And threats like," If you do not follow what you are told you will get complications later" is a really underhand way sometimes to force something they call compliance. "Do as I say " (but I do not have to because I am the boss and do not have your illness). "What do you need"? is the far better approach.
We are not all the same. The question is not how will they remould you into their idea of what is best for you.
The question is how can they be flexible enough to help you tailor management of your diabetes to your lifestyle and needs. ?
Yes, certain parameters may apply regards best range of BSLs and keeping weight in a flexible and comfortable-for-you range.
But if you were to do a survey of people in general, how many do not have breakfast? How many do not have lunch? Do some have high tea and then dinner?
Years ago I was so thrilled when I went onto the Novorapid (Australian brand of your Novarapid) and twice daily Levemir (at my insistence not the doctor's) because it gave me that flexibility I needed. I could skip lunch if I was busy - no more pressure to eat all meals on time because my previous insulins did not allow for such choice.
You are a human being doing her very best to cope with diabetes. You do not need to be brow-beaten or to feel that way by anyone, particularly those of the helping professions.
Be as brave as you can and state what you need. Make out a list of such needs and require (no pleading, just quietly request and keep doing so) that your health team adapt to your needs, not you to theirs'.
How to deal with fear that you will upset your nurse? Think about how her demands are upsetting you! How did you and your peers deal with bossy teachers at school? ? By giving them nicknames? And nicknames can be terms of endearment not necessarily wicked ones. Nurse "3 meals per day", "High and Mighty" etc. Humour is a great way to dispel fear. And developing self humour can help: If the nurse ass how the injection technique is going, You could say something: "Oh, you mean javelin practice"? Whatever way you find to make it light hearted. And I always consider blaming the weather if BSLS are not as good as I (I, not thems out there) would like. And the diabetes gremlins are out and about, for doing good and others doing nefarious things. Over time our experience helps us solve some of these mysteries (as well as our use of supportive forums like this one), and helpful health professionals.
Maybe wear something which makes you feel strong and protected, a favourite vest, cardigan, hat etc. Anything which can distract someone a little as you go to your appointment with the nurse.( opps flashback to the movie: One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest and the nurse in that) (Laugh, smile, secret blush at the wicked thought of making such a comparison)!!
Or take along a support person if that is possible and you are comfortable with that.
Sometimes, in hindsight, I wished two things could have happened with certain encounters
1. that I had been able to record the conversation and play it back to the person
2. that I had a dog with me who would have broken up any heated exchanges and use of uncomfortable tone of voice!
You are free to imagine you have a dog with you, who loves and supports you and woofs (in the imagination) to keep you calm and focussed on defusing the escalation that you might fear. (I have done this sometimes and as far as i know I am not insane, but who knows) ?
After all, with the insulin regime they have selected for their own reasons, you have greater flexibility to make it your own.
If the attitude and behaviour of your DN remains unchanged you may need to find one who is not authoritarian, but flexible, who listens and works with you. Chin up and Best Wishes.
The Chinese character for the word "to listen" has the following components: Ears, Eyes, Heart, Undivided Attention.
That is what to expect from your health provider. Signing off, Kite Doctor, Mere Mortal.


Thank you so much for spending the time sharing your experience with me. It’s very much appreciated. I think part of my issue is I’m still getting to know the DN. I can at least say we do have a common goal. I want to have a baby, so my bg has to come down, and be consistently the same or close to a particular range. On the plus side, the DN hasn’t told me I need to loose weight unlike the consultant.
My consultant has said everything the DN hasn’t. I’m very lucky my husband comes to the appointments with me, or failing he can’t my mum comes. When I spoke to the DN, I was expecting her to comment about the fact I missed two meals on Thursday. To my surprise tho, she didn’t. Maybe due to the fact I did have a few days of readings to give her which we 4 readings per day (breakfast,lunch,dinner,bedtime).
 
So glad to hear you came through so well. Sometimes the waiting and anticipation is worse than the actual visit.!!
And good on your for taking your support team with you on visits! You might also be able to deflect things a bit by asking I perfectly valid question such as "Would an insulin pump be a good idea to get my BSLs into an acceptable range"?
Best Wishes !!!!!
 
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I’m also on the twice a day insulin regime, but mine are before breakfast and evening meal, and 3 meals a day. I never eat breakfast, never have done and for instance, yesterday I had my first meal at 3pm and my evening meal at 9pm, only injecting once, at 3pm, because I didn’t know if by injecting at 9pm I might experience overnight hypo. I don’t know if i’m doing right or wrong but I’ve tried to seek help from DN but am having to wait 6 weeks for appointment. So, in the meantime, I’m trying to get advice on here and hoping all will be ok. My BG levels are good so i’m not worried. Please believe your DN, and other health professionals, are there to help and advise you, not to intimidate you at all. Do take someone for support, my husband comes with me for all my medical appointments, if not just to hold my hand, but to reinforce what’s been advised as sometimes I don’t take it all in, especially if I feel anxious. Hope all goes well for you x
 
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