JohnEGreen
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Yet I still caught an edge of defensiveness to some of the responses.Personally speaking, not at all. This is modern medicine to the core. Pills and surgery over lifestyle. Not specific to diabetes.
When I told the nurse at the liver clinic that I had refused medication and opted to make lifestyle changes she said that I was in the minority. It's definitely working for me.
She's right.
It is strange that although there is nothing in that picture that directly references diabetes we and I include myself in that all feel defensive we see a queue of fat people and automatically assume we are being targeted by it. Or am I making an unwarranted assumption also.
But it's what the nurse should be telling the patient..?
Yes... my point being that there are few HCP's who are able/willing to share lifestyle change advice with patients. So saying that patients who take charge are in the minority is because the information that could help is withheld from most.Sorry, not sure of your point, you think it IS what the Nurse should be telling the patient...or not?
Yes... my point being that there are few HCP's who are able/willing to share lifestyle change advice with patients. So saying that patients who take charge are in the minority is because the information that could help is withheld from most.
When most are given Eatwell leaflets why are we surprised that they need meds? Most docs don't have a clue...and appear to be unwilling to learn. That at least is my experience.
Yes... my point being that there are few HCP's who are able/willing to share lifestyle change advice with patients. So saying that patients who take charge are in the minority is because the information that could help is withheld from most.
When most are given Eatwell leaflets why are we surprised that they need meds? Most docs don't have a clue...and appear to be unwilling to learn. That at least is my experience.
So in effect because you have diabetes when you see a queue of fat people you see a queue of T2 diabetics whereas if say like me you had mysthenia gravis you would see a queue of fat myasthenics? which I bye the way don't because being fat is not consciously or sub consciously associated with MG.Hi John, I don't think it's that we see a queue of fat people and think 'diabetes', I would say we associate what we are seeing with diabetes because that is what we have?
So in effect because you have diabetes when you see a queue of fat people you see a queue of T2 diabetics whereas if say like me you had mysthenia gravis you would see a queue of fat myasthenics? which I bye the way don't because being fat is not consciously or sub consciously associated with MG.
That cartoon reinforces a stereotype.
"I would say we associate what we are seeing with diabetes because that is what we have?"
And what you were seeing was a queue of fat people.
And this thread happens to be in a sub forum titled Diabetes Discussions so the connotation is obvious.
The association us not necessarily a conscious one we are all subject to the pressures placed on us by the prejudices ingrained in our society even when we know they are wrong.
Working as a HCP I find it difficult to get people to change their lifestyles. Firstly it takes a lot of clinic time to explain what the changes they have to make are. The practitioners often offer confused and contradictory advice. GP says eat healthy grains and walk; someone else low fat high protein; others say keto. Generally, people really dont want to put in much, if any, effort. I don't know how many overweight people I've seen who tell me they only eat healthy food ad can't understand what changes to their diet they could make, or they would like to exercise but their knees and feet hurt when they walk. Not everyone but lots of people look for excuses to not change.
As a fat person, each and every time I have had to see a GP then some aspect of my reason for going has been attributed to my weight. Including pneumonia, as i obviously am so sedentary that my lungs clogged up and got infected. I was told to move more and i wont get bad lung conditions.It is strange that although there is nothing in that picture that directly references diabetes we and I include myself in that all feel defensive we see a queue of fat people and automatically assume we are being targeted by it. Or am I making an unwarranted assumption also.
I don't know how many overweight people I've seen who tell me they only eat healthy food and can't understand what changes to their diet they could make, or they would like to exercise but their knees and feet hurt when they walk. Not everyone but lots of people look for excuses to not change.
As a fat person, each and every time I have had to see a GP then some aspect of my reason for going has been attributed to my weight. Including pneumonia, as i obviously am so sedentary that my lungs clogged up and got infected. I was told to move more and i wont get bad lung conditions.
Strangely, once I moved out of the city (still the same weight) my annual bronchitis or pneumonia stopped.
So no, maybe diabetes is not the target, but extra weight certainly is, and type 2 diabetes is lumped under the same banner, isnt it.
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