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Excellent recommendation, thank you. It was very informative.@HairySmurf
You'll find this interesting.
Gary Taubes has a long history of journalistic research into diabetes and low carb
I'd be surprised if Taubes comes anywere close to meeting your standards when it comes to confirmation bias, scientific integrity etc.Excellent recommendation, thank you. It was very informative.
Would you like to share your justification for questioning Gary Taubes' integrity?I'd be surprised if Taubes comes anywere close to meeting your standards when it comes to confirmation bias, scientific integrity etc.
Be wary!
There was the great Aragon/Taubes spectacle from about 8 years ago. This was before NuSI, and at a time when Taubes was very confident it would demonstrate his ideas to be true. But Alan asked him whether if it turned out that the NuSI initiative falsified his Carb-Insulin-Model he would change his position. Gary said no.Would you like to share your justification for questioning Gary Taubes' integrity?
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I find it hard to reconcile that with the notion that everything doctors say about diabetes is wrong, but I'll keep an open mind.
How're you getting on with the information?Would you like to share your justification for questioning Gary Taubes' integrity?
I understand people wanting to avoid seed oils due to the manufacturing process. But they don't cause obesity any more than any other type of fat. If you lost weight, it was due to being inI've just received my copy of Rethinking Diabetes by Gary Taubes this morning. I then came across this thread.
Having also read the piece that was published in Time magazine recently I decided to look into the guy. I purchased a copy of his 2010 book Why We Get Fat ( and what to do about it ) which I'm currently about half way through. At the very least he is expanding the Overton Window on the subject. The jury is still out for me, but purely from observational studies it would seem fairly obvious that the calories in/calories out or gluttony and sloth mantra as he refers to it, is not working.
I think he has a point when he makes the argument about the fat processing systems in our bodies being disrupted by something.
I've got a few theories of my own about what is causing this.
Top of the list is seed oils.
Having eliminated them from my diet completely ( not easy, as they are put into all manner of foodstuffs that you wouldn't expect ), I am a stone and a half lighter in under two years. I'm eating low carb but not no carb and can vouch that it works for me.
I am looking forward to reading his latest book. I may not agree with all of it but I'm grateful to him for putting alternative theories out there.
So the massive omega 6 / omega 3 imbalance in seed oils doesn't bother you?I understand people wanting to avoid seed oils due to the manufacturing process. But they don't cause obesity any more than any other type of fat. If you lost weight, it was due to being incaloricenergy-deficit
On the 'inflammation, oxidative stress, endothelial dysfunction and atherosclerosis' thing I'd appreciate a few links to good info along these lines, if you have any handy. It's a topic I've become curious about.So the massive omega 6 / omega 3 imbalance in seed oils doesn't bother you?
Proven to lead to inflammation, oxidative stress, endothelial dysfunction and atherosclerosis.
I don't know if cutting them out helps to reduce obesity, any more than you know that consuming them doesn't cause obesity.
You also have no idea of what I eat or what I do.
What does appear obvious is that you are wedded to the calories in/calories out mantra.
I prefer to keep an open mind.
yes but how those calories end up varies depending on where they come from. If a subset of calories cannot be efficiently burned as fuel then it ends up stored instead. So we either have energy or excess weight. Very different outcomes from the same intake.On the calories in/calories out thing - everything we put in our mouths must be used to build new cells, burned as fuel, stored as fat or dumped by the body (in the toilet). Calories out is complex but not rocket science, it's secondary school biology. There's no calorie fairy that can make food vanish. This Mr. Taubes doesn't actually contradict that, does he?
In the small amounts i eat it, and in the context of a very varied diet, no.So the massive omega 6 / omega 3 imbalance in seed oils doesn't bother you?
When oil (indeed any fat) has been heated to extreme temperatures, things start to go awry. If that same fat is re-used, as is likely the case in various eateries around the world the issues can get worse. But if you could show me some robust human outcome data that demonstrates any of the above from adding a home-made sunflower-seed vinaigrette to a salad, I'd much appreciate it.Proven to lead to inflammation, oxidative stress, endothelial dysfunction and atherosclerosis.
But I do know it doesn't cause obesity. If I didn't, I wouldn't make the claimI don't know if cutting them out helps to reduce obesity, any more than you know that consuming them doesn't cause obesity.
But that's the beauty of it - i don't need to know. THe science is already there. I no more need to know what you ate to lose weight than I need to know which direction a coin woud go if it fell from your hand.You also have no idea of what I eat or what I do.
Actually, in the part you literally quoted, I used a strike-through for the word caloric, deferring instead to use energy. Why? Because calories is a bit more of a nuanced discussion. It's not that it isn't generally a pretty good proxy for energy, but ultimately it is energy we're talking about. So, to the extent that calories pretty much aligns with energy, you'd be correct. But to make it easier, I'm wedded to the energy model, like I'm wedded ot the gravity model and the flat-earth modelWhat does appear obvious is that you are wedded to the calories in/calories out mantra.
I prefer to keep an open mind.
Contradicting it is pretty much his raison d'être, and he's seemed quite happy to set science back to the dark ages in his questOn the calories in/calories out thing - everything we put in our mouths must be used to build new cells, burned as fuel, stored as fat or dumped by the body (in the toilet). Calories out is complex but not rocket science, it's secondary school biology. There's no calorie fairy that can make food vanish. This Mr. Taubes doesn't actually contradict that, does he?
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