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Is it ok to feel at my best when my glucose is at a high 7.2 to 8.0 mmol. ? I try not to get below 6.4 as I feel rough.
Most morning testing shows a high as soon as I get up and this appears to be normal for me.
 
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Welcome to the forum @theoldfunker. Tagging @daisy1 for the new member information for you. Please read the information about healthy blood glucose levels carefully.

Feeling rough below 6.4 shows that your body has got used to higher levels. Your body does not recognise the levels that will keep you healthy long term. Are you taking any medications to treat diabetes?

Morning levels are usually the highest due to the dawn effect which is our bodies giving us a boost for the day. This means for many of us that this is our highest level of the day and the last to come down to normal levels.
 
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Is it ok to feel at my best when my glucose is at a high 7.2 to 8.0 mmol. ? I try not to get below 6.4 as I feel rough.
Most morning testing shows a high as soon as I get up and this appears to be normal for me.
It's much better than at levels 9.0 -11.0, on the positive side
 
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Our target should be around 5.5: within the range 4 to 7 is ok. Higher than this and we are at risk of complications (heart disease, neuropathy, etc. ). So to answer your question whether it is ok to feel at your best in the range 7.2 to 8.0, no it is not great.
Unfortunately, our bodies can get used to being outside this range. For me, that has meant I lost some of my hypo awareness and, with you, it sounds as if you don't feel great when you fall below 6.4.
The good news is that we can retrain our bodies. For me this meant targeting 6.0 (instead of 5.5) for a couple of weeks and my hypo awareness returned. For you, it sounds as if you need to start retraining your body to be used to lower values. This does not have to be a big bang down to 5.5: you could start with trying to target 6.5 (instead of 7.5) for a few weeks; then 6.0; and then 5.5.
As @Alison Campbell commented, this is complicated by our morning fasting BG level being an anomaly for some people. Therefore, if you can, it could be worthwhile taking readings before all meals. Some may even say to prick your finger more often.
 

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@theoldfunker

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

theoldfunker

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Welcome to the forum @theoldfunker. Tagging @daisy1 for the new member information for you. Please read the information about healthy blood glucose levels carefully.

Feeling rough below 6.4 shows that your body has got used to higher levels. Your body does not recognise the levels that will keep you healthy long term. Are you taking any medications to treat diabetes?

Morning levels are usually the highest due to the dawn effect which is our bodies giving us a boost for the day. This means for many of us that this is our highest level of the day and the last to come down to normal levels.
MANY THANKS. My nurse hasn't really been that helpful and almost went into melt down when I said I had bought a blood test monitor for myself and then really went into one when I asked for test strips. I was told there was no need for testing on type 2.
I have found it a useful tool to control diet.
 

theoldfunker

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Welcome to the forum @theoldfunker. Tagging @daisy1 for the new member information for you. Please read the information about healthy blood glucose levels carefully.

Feeling rough below 6.4 shows that your body has got used to higher levels. Your body does not recognise the levels that will keep you healthy long term. Are you taking any medications to treat diabetes?

Morning levels are usually the highest due to the dawn effect which is our bodies giving us a boost for the day. This means for many of us that this is our highest level of the day and the last to come down to normal levels.
Thank you this is useful to know as I have never read this in the hand book given to me when I was diagnosed. I have found a great deal of information in the forum.
My sister has been my source of info as she has been type1 for twenty years so my diet has been under control since diagnosed a year ago, but even with a controlled diet I still the odd high for no reason.
 

theoldfunker

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@theoldfunker

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
I do feel that my nurse has not been as helpful as she could have been. I am finding answers here. Thank you.
 
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Your nurse sounds just like mine. Melt down, I was worried her head was going to start spinning.

This forum is a great community for people with diabetes so feel free to ask any questions. The information I have got from members here has helped me so much.

I think everyone gets the odd high reading. Meters are not perfect and even a bit of food on your fingers could effect the result. If I get a very unexpected reading I will wash my hands and test again. Even then a virus, stress or other can affect things.
 

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MANY THANKS. My nurse hasn't really been that helpful and almost went into melt down when I said I had bought a blood test monitor for myself and then really went into one when I asked for test strips. I was told there was no need for testing on type 2.
I have found it a useful tool to control diet.
Whether type 1 or 2, testing should be mandatory!! How else can we understand what our blood glucose levels are up to?? Aaaaargh
 
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theoldfunker

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Your nurse sounds just like mine. Melt down, I was worried her head was going to start spinning.

This forum is a great community for people with diabetes so feel free to ask any questions. The information I have got from members here has helped me so much.

I think everyone gets the odd high reading. Meters are not perfect and even a bit of food on your fingers could effect the result. If I get a very unexpected reading I will wash my hands and test again. Even then a virus, stress or other can affect things.
Thank you Alison. I have found so many answers on this forum that I decided to sign up as it a very useful site for the many questions I have. I was given a warning 10 years ago and made a adjustments to my way of life but after falling for one common cold after another in 2016 a visit to the Doctor and a full M.O.T I was given the news, no great surprise as diabetes is in the Family. Now a huge adjustment to my diet has kept my numbers OK but now and again there's a wobble for no reason but reading the forum this happens with everybody, and I thought it was me !
I wish I could say thank you to everybody on the forum for all the answers I've found as it's been of greater help than the advice from my nurse.
Self testing seemed like a good idea as the week before Christmas a 22 mmol put me in hospital not through glucose but for an infection, so with these high numbers I took myself to A&E to ask why is my glucose so high.
Again I say thanks
 

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How are you doing now, @theoldfunker??
Thanks all is well but can't get use to what seems a cough or sneeze from somebody in the street or shop can put me in Hospital with an infection. Hospital told me " get use to it " that's not in the guide.
There are some wonderful people here with a mine of information all you have to do is type in a question. I'm glad I signed up
 
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theoldfunker

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Our target should be around 5.5: within the range 4 to 7 is ok. Higher than this and we are at risk of complications (heart disease, neuropathy, etc. ). So to answer your question whether it is ok to feel at your best in the range 7.2 to 8.0, no it is not great.
Unfortunately, our bodies can get used to being outside this range. For me, that has meant I lost some of my hypo awareness and, with you, it sounds as if you don't feel great when you fall below 6.4.
The good news is that we can retrain our bodies. For me this meant targeting 6.0 (instead of 5.5) for a couple of weeks and my hypo awareness returned. For you, it sounds as if you need to start retraining your body to be used to lower values. This does not have to be a big bang down to 5.5: you could start with trying to target 6.5 (instead of 7.5) for a few weeks; then 6.0; and then 5.5.
As @Alison Campbell commented, this is complicated by our morning fasting BG level being an anomaly for some people. Therefore, if you can, it could be worthwhile taking readings before all meals. Some may even say to prick your finger more often.
Hi many thanks. I've been very pleased with myself of late with normal numbers after well chosen meals, and it does feel silly but I rejoice and cheer and even text my sister as she's type 1 for twenty years and can understand when I get a regular 6.4.
 
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