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Happy-medium-inbetween carbing!

Grazer

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I Would never criticise anyone's diet, and have got some good info from Viv's modified Atkins diet and also from some high-carb forum ideas. But people seem to get very agitated one way or the other. I believe there is a sensible in-between that could suit many people.
I'm on what I would call a restricted carb diet. The RDA for a male is 300 grams a day, I have about 180 on average. The 180 I have are low GI, with no starchy carbs. Thus I eat a few boiled new potatos but not "old" ones, I have wholewheat spaghetti, Basmati rice, special bread (in smaller quantities)etc. etc etc. I don't shy away from fat, and love cheese, but don't try to eat lots because I don't need to on the number of carbs I have.
I realise that people very overweight might need a much lower carb diet, and others on certain med and diet regimes might need more carbs, and that's right for all of them. But for many like me, moderation like mine is fine.
My weight has come off more slowly than it would have on a low carb diet, but I'm now 12 stone 10 pounds which is fine for my 6ft 1in height, with a BMI of 23'ish. My weight is also now stable and my diet is not an effort because it's not too stringent. My blood pressure is down, and my recovery pulse rate after exercise is much improved. I'm on diet only, no meds, and have got my HbA1c down from 8.2 to 5.9 in 4 months and 5.5 a further 3 months later. This is enough, the extra risk associated with 5.5 compared to 4.6 (young non-diabetic level) is minimal - remember, at 61 years old I would expect my HbA1c even as a non-diabetic to have risen slightly, probably to about 5, anyway. So it's not worth the extra dietary demands that would be required for me to get down to 5.0 - not for me anyway. I can enjoy normal food in normal quantities by careful monitoring and avoiding eating too close to bedtime - what bg I go to bed with I tend to wake up with!
I also enjoy a drink, but try not to go overboard. Two bottles of Rioja a week do wonders for my blood sugar - hardly any carbs, and interfere with the bodies ability to process carbs into sugar.
I invested in a visit to a private endocrinologist who specialises in diabetes and lectures doctors on this at University College Hospital to check out my views. His comforting words were that I was unlikely to suffer any complications at my levels if I maintain them there, and that I would die WITH diabetes, not FROM it.
So if you're reading posts and thinking "should I go low carb or not", well, there is an in-between that might suit you. If not, just know that whatever you decide is right for you so relax.
Cheers all,
Malc
 
Well done Malc - sounds like it is working and that is what I do with pts. I find they cope with it well and sustain the plan long term. The most important thing is keep of the sugar and refined carbs. A "normal" diet does not encourage staying away from cheese, protein etc anyway.
So keep up the good work.
 
But what oe calls a high carb diet is totally different to another one..

The amount you eat, might in your preception be a low carb diet, but to some it would still be an high carb diet or in the words they often use 'stuffing your face with carbs and shooting up on medication to counter react'

But if you take a look at information from those you are well controlled, even the so called high carbers, you will find that they explain how to find out what works for you, what options you have to tackle what you need...

The more knowledge the diabetic has the more able they are to make a justified decission to the way they want to managed their condition..
 
I too am managing to control BG and am following what turns out to be a "reduced carbs" regime. I've used my meter and things are improving generally as per your experience. I did an intense week of recording exactly what amount of carbs I was eating and discovered that it was between 120 and 180 grams per day. I didn't find it easy to get an accurate reading so I'll do it again in another few weeks but have dropped the recording for now.

I don't rule out the possibility that I will later have to reduce carbs further but, for the moment, I'm reasonably comfortable at these levels which are very considerably lower than what I must have been eating pre-diagnosis.

As I think most here would agree, there's really no alternative to testing to find out what works for you.
 
Dougie22 said:
I too am managing to control BG and am following what turns out to be a "reduced carbs" regime. I've used my meter and things are improving generally as per your experience. I did an intense week of recording exactly what amount of carbs I was eating and discovered that it was between 120 and 180 grams per day. I didn't find it easy to get an accurate reading so I'll do it again in another few weeks but have dropped the recording for now.

I don't rule out the possibility that I will later have to reduce carbs further but, for the moment, I'm reasonably comfortable at these levels which are very considerably lower than what I must have been eating pre-diagnosis.

As I think most here would agree, there's really no alternative to testing to find out what works for you.

[Sounds good dougie. One thing you may have noticed - counting carbs properly is quite tricky. I didn't realise to start with that so many things had carbs! I hadn't counted the fruit I had, or the salad, or the milk - they all have carbs! I'm sure you'll know this, but be aware you need to check EVERYTHING! Malc]
 
Malc,

Yes - found this out already.

Also - some of the "sugar" information on the front of the packaging is misleading. You have to read the more detailed stuff at the back. So something labelled on the front a 5g Sugar, may be labelled on the back as 20g carbs of which 5g is sugar.

I could only keep up the calculation and recording for a week due to how much time and effort it takes.
 
Everyone is different (that should be the motto for this forum :D ), and I'm glad you're getting such good results from your diet.

It wouldn't suit me at the moment, but then I am very overweight at present. It may be that I shall be able to eat more carbs without spiking my BGs as my weight drops. I don't find my diet restrictive, however! I love the foods I eat, and don't miss carbs much at all.

Having said that, I do eat a little bread. Today, for instance, I ate a ham salad sandwich with butter and mayonnaise, using two slices of Tesco Multigrain wholemeal. I followed that with rather too many cherries (about 15) - British, ripe, juicy and delicious! I was quite astonished to find my BG at 5.3 2 hours after this, from a pre-meal reading of 5.1! So something is working on my carb processing system, too. I've lost just over 3 stone up to now.

I buy the loaves sliced from Tesco, divide them into thirds, and freeze them. Then I can just eat a little at a time, and don't feel compelled to eat the whole loaf! :oops:

Horses for courses, as they say.

Viv 8)
 
Nice one Viv. I freeze the whole loaf. It's dead easy to chip off one or two slices, and it takes about 10 seconds per slice (wrapped in clingfilm to keep it moist) in the microwave to thaw it out. So ALL slices always 100% fresh. By the way, I get similar readings using low GI burgen bread from Sainsburys, even lower carbs per slice than the wholemeal multi-grains. Worth trying?
Malc
 
malcysykes1 said:
Nice one Viv. I freeze the whole loaf. It's dead easy to chip off one or two slices, and it takes about 10 seconds per slice (wrapped in clingfilm to keep it moist) in the microwave to thaw it out. So ALL slices always 100% fresh. By the way, I get similar readings using low GI burgen bread from Sainsburys, even lower carbs per slice than the wholemeal multi-grains. Worth trying?
Malc

I was just talking about this the other day Malc, a friend was saying that her bread would go stale by the time she got to the end of the loaf, I suggested she does exactly as you have wrote above! :)

BTW, Burgen bread is lovely and even better toasted.

Nigel
 
People on here mention burgen bread SO much, it's actually pushing me to buy some to try just out of curiousity.

Malc- good work, you've used carb counting very well to find out what diet works for you!

Although many people go on very low carb diets as that's how they control their diabetes just as you do with an 'inbetween' diet. Some people get good results on 200g a day, some can only acheive the same good results by eating only 40g a day. different amounts, but the goals are exactly the same :)

This high carb VS low carb is nonsense. The two shouldn't be battling eachother! It should be knowledge of how carbs affect people individually and tailoring the amounts eaten to reach satisfactory results, which also should be on an individual basis!

It's not a competition to see 'how low can you go'. It's about being healthy happy and where possible complication free.

Keep doing what your doing, sounds great to me :)
 
ebony321 said:
People on here mention burgen bread SO much, it's actually pushing me to buy some to try just out of curiosity.

Ebony its really good stuff :) I normally have a piece for breakfast with a poached egg from one of my chickens.

In reference to the whole "low-carb" diet debate! As has been said everyone is different and you need to find a level that is suitable for you...

Personally I tend to eat around 90 - 120g a day at the moment that makes my life easy as for main meals I am not cooking different foods for the family.. I also think the amount needs to be taken into context in regards to the person as well... I am a large fella! 6'6 ish and 90KG so me eating 120g of carb and my other half whose 5 foot dead and 50Kg or so is a little different..
 
ebony321 said:
People on here mention burgen bread SO much, it's actually pushing me to buy some to try just out of curiosity.

Ebony its really good stuff :) I normally have a piece for breakfast with a poached egg from one of my chickens.

In reference to the whole "low-carb" diet debate! As has been said everyone is different and you need to find a level that is suitable for you...

Personally I tend to eat around 90 - 120g a day at the moment that makes my life easy as for main meals I am not cooking different foods for the family.. I also think the amount needs to be taken into context in regards to the person as well... I am a large fella! 6'6 ish and 90KG so me eating 120g of carb and my other half whose 5 foot dead and 50Kg or so is a little different..
 
I agree with Pneu. My 120 to 180g carb intake needs to be seen in the context of my 115 kilo (but reducing) size. I will probably have to reduce as I get (hopefully) smaller.
 
Glad I've got another Burgen Bread trier! Another thing I really missed was Tortillas (made from white flour, high carb and high GI) Even as an "In Betweener", tortillas seemed a step too far! So I tried some of the "Mama Lupes Low Carb Tortillas", you get them on line from Avidlite or the Low Carb Megastore. Tasted really good, not QUITE the same thing, but **** close. I had 3 of them stuffed with chillied mince, lettuce, hot salsa, cheese etc, and my blood sugar readings only went up to a maximum of 6. 5! Real win. With normal tortillas I'd have been at 11 or more. Any of you tried them? They're also good for using as normal (but low carb) wraps as an alternative for a sarnie at lunch.
Malc
Malc
 
Dougie22 said:

I agree with Pneu. My 120 to 180g carb intake needs to be seen in the context of my 115 kilo (but reducing) size. I will probably have to reduce as I get (hopefully) smaller.

I'm finding that as I lose weight I can tolerate carbs better. I believe weight loss helps lessen insulin resistance - that's probably why I can tolerate things like yesterday's sandwich. So you may well be okay with your present carbs, Dougie22.

My pancreas must be feeling better, too, 'cos it's had a nice rest with these weeks of low-carb! :D

Viv 8)
 
viviennem said:
that's probably why I can tolerate things like yesterday's sandwich

A SANDWICH!!!!! :shock:

Hope you enjoyed it Viv :D

Nigel
 
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