Has anyone here tried high carb low fat diet completely plant based.

DCUKMod said:

Please don't think I'm being sarcastic, because I'm not, but I'd wager the high carb, low fact is quite,common amongst vegans, with or without them meaning it to be.

I'm an omnivore, so have no personal experience to offer.

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And I'd wager that the high carb, low FACT diet is common amongst most dieters.

Veryanxious said:

I have had immense success with Keto but I am curious about other diets as well. I found this article below which does some what makes sense.
https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/diet...t/news-story/f33660a184cee7b32bc609de8261aa27
What are thoughts on this? Has anyone tried this before going low carb?

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I suppose many of us where if we followed the dietary guidelines coming from the NHS and other agencies.

Veryanxious said:

I have had immense success with Keto but I am curious about other diets as well. I found this article below which does some what makes sense.
https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/diet...t/news-story/f33660a184cee7b32bc609de8261aa27
What are thoughts on this? Has anyone tried this before going low carb?

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Hi @ExtremelyW0rried , from my reading about keto diet and as a T1D currently being on one. Not as medical advice or opinion:
The first mistake this guy seems to have made is he thought that he needs carbs loading for exercise. And we do not know if this guy was protein loading as well (50% of that protein counts as carbs). And who suggested to him that this was the way to go? Not a person advising on low carb or keto diets I would have thought !! Just my guess. What influence has come to bear on him? I allege he is not naive.
Professor Tim Noakes talks about some of this in his podcasts. He is a medical researcher whose interests and study includes athletes on low carb diets and keto diets.
Of course my body is intolerant of carbs too if I suddenly increase them. That is obvious - my insulin doses have to balance with my carb intake and how my resultant sugar levels and insulin profile match up.
Taking on extra carbs tips my body out of keto and I feel sick.
And I learned through information on the web (Dr Phinnie) that T1Ds are low in magnesium and their energy levels may be suboptimal on a keto diet unless they pay attention to it. Yes, swapping in and out of keto is not a recipe for good insulin sensitivity in my own experience too.
Why this guy mentions T2D at all is a worry - he has not need to - and it sounds very much like the mantra of Big Food.
I say good luck to this guy, he is likely under the influence of Big Food, his BSLs and insulin sensitivity are likely to be enhanced by his level of exercise, anyway. What happens when he eases up on exercise is his own problem.

I have to admit that I did not read the whole piece. I got to the part about exercise, gluconeogenesis, insulin resistance and a banana and then gave up. The gentleman reckons he became insulin resistant half way through a four month experiment? I find that incredible.

This guy is explaining physiological insulin resistance, which is not the same as pathological resistance. The latter is commonly fixed by ketogenic eating, not caused by it. The former is perfectly normal and quite temporary. Of course he’s going to get spikes if he’s ingesting carbohydrate whilst apparently attempting to remain in ketosis.

I got as far as the comment about saturated dietary fats causing abdominal fat, and gave up.

Jim Lahey said:

I got as far as the comment about saturated dietary fats causing abdominal fat, and gave up.

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I had heard of this, so i googled a bit about what causes the body to store fat, the mechanisms and food types. Our bodies use anything, but mainly carbs to make body fat. Nothing special about saturated fats, or any fats. In fact, fats are the last thing our bodies use to lay down fat stores, as a very last resort.

I have not been able to trace back where this idea that saturated fats cause abdominal fat, except a tenuous idea, which completely ignores that eating a cake is mainly carbs, with some fat, but somehow the fat got blamed.

I cant see how eating high carbs, of any colour, even healthy green ones, can help my blood sugar levels.

@Veryanxious , are you asking if the high carb low fat plant based diet would be good for your blood sugar levels and about its effect on blood sugar levels on others?

My NHS diet, which I followed for decades, to give me energy (which it didnt) was high carb, lots and lots of veg, very little fats of any type, and not much protein from animal sources, and my blood sugar levels gradually went up and up, as did my weight on my abdomen, until I got my type 2 diagnosis 7 years ago.

So for me, speaking personally, I found it counterproductive.

I'm vegan but control my fat/carb intake. I think if you eat a lot of the vegan junk foods available (and there are a lot of ready meals, savoury pastries etc) then yes, you'd be very high carb and fat. If you really do stick to fresh veg, salads and are careful about the nuts, pulses and oil eaten then it's perfectly possible to control your diet.

I've never tried high fat; high carb. I control my carbs but by no stretch of the imagination am I low carb by the standards of this forum). I eat masses of fresh salad and veg. Oddly I don't eat that much fruit - a lot of it is too sweet for me. My daily drinks don't have any plant milks added. I do like tofu, which happily is low carb (although not as low as meat), and has 4.8g fat per 100g.

If you're careful plant based needn't be high carb, high fat. If you're pushed for time in the working day and are going to rely on bought foods, then there might be a problem.

My carb to insulin ratios are carefully calculated and I count every gram of carb eaten so that I can balance it. By doing that, I keep my bloods under 7 most of the time, and usually in the high 4's and 5's.

I’ve just read through some more of that and it’s basically a propaganda piece using pictures of an Adonis to sell the whole grain, low fat dream.

Everyone is of course encouraged to draw their own conclusions, but the “science” in that article is just complete poppycock. He’s either unbelievably misinformed or has an agenda.

WuTwo said:

I'm vegan but control my fat/carb intake. I think if you eat a lot of the vegan junk foods available (and there are a lot of ready meals, savoury pastries etc) then yes, you'd be very high carb and fat. If you really do stick to fresh veg, salads and are careful about the nuts, pulses and oil eaten then it's perfectly possible to control your diet.

I've never tried high fat; high carb. I control my carbs but by no stretch of the imagination am I low carb by the standards of this forum). I eat masses of fresh salad and veg. Oddly I don't eat that much fruit - a lot of it is too sweet for me. My daily drinks don't have any plant milks added. I do like tofu, which happily is low carb (although not as low as meat), and has 4.8g fat per 100g.

If you're careful plant based needn't be high carb, high fat. If you're pushed for time in the working day and are going to rely on bought foods, then there might be a problem.

My carb to insulin ratios are carefully calculated and I count every gram of carb eaten so that I can balance it. By doing that, I keep my bloods under 7 most of the time, and usually in the high 4's and 5's.

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Very informative, thanks, even though I am not the OP. May i ask though - the bit I am struggling with working out is how i can get enough protein from a mainly plant based without eating many carbs? Around 80-100g of carbs a day is my limit to control my sugar levels. Advice welcome.

Maybe I should point out that I'm an ethical vegan, not following a plant based diet for any health reasons. To that extent, I'm no help whatsoever to @Veryanxious also of course I'm not T2.

lucylocket61 said:

Very informative, thanks, even though I am not the OP. May i ask though - the bit I am struggling with working out is how i can get enough protein from a mainly plant based without eating many carbs? Around 80-100g of carbs a day is my limit to control my sugar levels. Advice welcome.

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So far, I've had scrambled tofu on toast, with tinned tomatoes sprinkled with engevita flakes. Served with a small slice of wholemeal toast.

Lunch will be lentil & veg soup with a small slice of a fresh baked loaf.

Dunno what dinner will be but dessert is a banana with Alpro coconut yoghurt.

Tots up so far to 965 cals, 98g carb, 63g fat and 93% of my day's protein requirement.

You could omit the bread, the toast, swap out the banana for berries. That would save about 45g of carb.

Hi,

Well? I pressed on with the literature to the end after initially being confronted by images of a dude with the body of a Greek god..

The author is talking from the perspective as someone with observation on personal diet managing his condition caused by an autoimmune response killing off his beta call production, thus using insulin.

Towards the end, he "rationalises" his new found diet can help cure T2..

Of course, it was simple enough for the author, he just tweaked his insulin regime to accommodate the diet.

It's a bold claim to suggest it will reverse or cure T2.
I'll stick my neck out & state it won't cure T1 either...

Tofu is a very high protein food, and can be used in so very many different ways. I love it in stir fry with teryaki sauce, but scrambled is a good brekkie. Come to that, I like it with so many sauces and marinades lol

WuTwo said:

So far, I've had scrambled tofu on toast, with tinned tomatoes sprinkled with engevita flakes. Served with a small slice of wholemeal toast.

Lunch will be lentil & veg soup with a small slice of a fresh baked loaf.

Dunno what dinner will be but dessert is a banana with Alpro coconut yoghurt.

Tots up so far to 965 cals, 98g carb, 63g fat and 93% of my day's protein requirement.

You could omit the bread, the toast, swap out the banana for berries. That would save about 45g of carb.

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Thanks, thats helpful. What is your total protein requirement for a day?

lucylocket61 said:

Thanks, thats helpful. What is your total protein requirement for a day?

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I am 62, 5'7", not overweight but sedentary - my requirement is for 25% of my calories to be protein, and at the moment that tots up to about 88g per day. I have a Nutracheck subscription just to keep an eye on calories, fats, carbs and protein.

Apparently protein should be between 20% and 47% of my diet, and I'm comfy at 25%. If I started going to the gym a lot I'd need to increase it but Nutracheck would advise me about it because I'd change my profile with them.

WuTwo said:

I'm vegan but control my fat/carb intake. I think if you eat a lot of the vegan junk foods available (and there are a lot of ready meals, savoury pastries etc) then yes, you'd be very high carb and fat. If you really do stick to fresh veg, salads and are careful about the nuts, pulses and oil eaten then it's perfectly possible to control your diet.

I've never tried high fat; high carb. I control my carbs but by no stretch of the imagination am I low carb by the standards of this forum). I eat masses of fresh salad and veg. Oddly I don't eat that much fruit - a lot of it is too sweet for me. My daily drinks don't have any plant milks added. I do like tofu, which happily is low carb (although not as low as meat), and has 4.8g fat per 100g.

If you're careful plant based needn't be high carb, high fat. If you're pushed for time in the working day and are going to rely on bought foods, then there might be a problem.

My carb to insulin ratios are carefully calculated and I count every gram of carb eaten so that I can balance it. By doing that, I keep my bloods under 7 most of the time, and usually in the high 4's and 5's.

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Are you Insulin Resistant?

WuTwo said:

Tofu is a very high protein food, and can be used in so very many different ways. I love it in stir fry with teryaki sauce, but scrambled is a good brekkie. Come to that, I like it with so many sauces and marinades lol

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Interesting. I just looked and Tofu has 8g of protein per 100g - which sounds good. However, it also has 15g of carbs - not so good. I am also aware of the problems of much soya based food on hormones for men and women. Do you have any other suggestions please for plant based proteins you eat?

I note that the @Veryanxious is pre-diabetic, so carb intake and values of alternative proteins are very important. As they also are for me and other type 2's.