Has anyone here tried high carb low fat diet completely plant based.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

Guzzler said:
Are you Insulin Resistant?

I dunno. 1 unit of insulin drops my bloods by about 3mm, and my ratios vary - I'm 1 unit per 6g carb at breakfast, 1 unit for 8 at lunch and 1 unit for 10 at dinner. Basal is split morning and night.

Listlad · Mar 30, 2019

Veryanxious said:
I have had immense success with Keto but I am curious about other diets as well. I found this article below which does some what makes sense.
https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/diet...t/news-story/f33660a184cee7b32bc609de8261aa27
What are thoughts on this? Has anyone tried this before going low carb?

An interesting posting.

I have always subscribed to the idea that there is “more than one way to skin a cat”. I notice he uses the term optimisation, one I prefer to use in terms of personal diet.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

lucylocket61 said:
Interesting. I just looked and Tofu has 8g of protein per 100g - which sounds good. However, it also has 15g of carbs - not so good. I am also aware of the problems of much soya based food on hormones for men and women. Do you have any other suggestions please for plant based proteins you eat?

I note that the @Veryanxious is pre-diabetic, so carb intake and values of alternative proteins are very important. As they also are for me and other type 2's.

Other good sources for vegans are

Tofu, tempeh, and edamame. Soy products such as tofu, tempeh, and edamame are among the richest sources of protein in a vegan diet. Edamame beans whizz down to make yummy burgers, if you chuck in some hot sauce. Actually, I use the beans cold in salads, hot in all sorts of things. Just love them.
Lentils - all the varieties.
Chickpeas. ...
Peanuts. ...
Almonds. ...
Spirulina. ...
Quinoa
Mycoprotein aka quorn, which I really don't like at all.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

Great recipe ideas happen in the BOSH! cookbook - even my meat loving son eats them and enjoys them. (His partner is veggie veering towards veganism).

We love curry so have a lot of vegan curry cookbooks.

lucylocket61 · Mar 30, 2019

WuTwo said:
I am 62, 5'7", not overweight but sedentary - my requirement is for 25% of my calories to be protein, and at the moment that tots up to about 88g per day. I have a Nutracheck subscription just to keep an eye on calories, fats, carbs and protein.

Apparently protein should be between 20% and 47% of my diet, and I'm comfy at 25%. If I started going to the gym a lot I'd need to increase it but Nutracheck would advise me about it because I'd change my profile with them.

So if someone tries a mainly plant food diet, as in the thread title, and wanted to get around 80-90g of protein a day, they would need to eat over a kilo of Tofu (at 8g protein per 100g) or similar amounts of other plant based proteins every day to get their 80-90g a day of protein? I'm not understanding something here, sorry : (

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

If I hadn't had the bread, and didn't have the toast or banana I'd have 35g of carb to play with for dinner and still be under 80g for the day.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

lucylocket61 said:
So if someone tries a mainly plant food diet, as in the thread title, and wanted to get around 80-90g of protein a day, they would need to eat over a kilo of Tofu (at 8g protein per 100g) or similar amounts of other plant based proteins every day to get their 80-90g a day of protein? I'm not understanding something here, sorry : (

I love tofu but there's no way I'd eat that much!

Say, scrambled tofu at brekkie (I had 140g because I'm greedy. I'm told it tastes like scrambled eggs). Lentils at lunch in my soup, chickpeas and edamame in with a stirfry for dinner, maybe some tofu flavoured with a marinade. Blueberries with yoghurt for dessert (3.9g carb per 100 with 2.3g carb, and believe me, 100g slips down with horrible ease).

Couple of handfuls of peanuts/mixed nuts in the evening.

zand · Mar 30, 2019

I followed a 600 cal veg only diet for 7 weeks. I had to stop it because i had severe joint and bone pains...i think due to lack of fat. I should have had some oil with my veggies but didn't. The problem i have with HCLF for T2s is that it's difficult to find the right amount of fat. Too much and it's not HCLF and too little and the body suffers as we need fat. We don't need carbs so we can't have too little and it's easy to use a meter to find out how much us too much.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

zand said:
I followed a 600 cal veg only diet for 7 weeks. I had to stop it because i had severe joint and bone pains...i think due to lack of fat. I should have had some oil with my veggies but didn't. The problem i have with HCLF for T2s is that it's difficult to find the right amount of fat. Too much and it's not HCLF and too little and the body suffers as we need fat. We don't need carbs so we can't have too little and it's easy to use a meter to find out how much us too much.

Oh my - I don't think I could do that! I'd miss the garlic infused olive oil too much

Member496333 · Mar 30, 2019

lucylocket61 said:
Interesting. I just looked and Tofu has 8g of protein per 100g - which sounds good. However, it also has 15g of carbs - not so good. I am also aware of the problems of much soya based food on hormones for men and women. Do you have any other suggestions please for plant based proteins you eat?

I note that the @Veryanxious is pre-diabetic, so carb intake and values of alternative proteins are very important. As they also are for me and other type 2's.

I agree with your sentiment on soy. In my opinion it is not suitable for human consumption.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
I agree with your sentiment on soy. In my opinion it is not suitable for human consumption.

Can I ask why you think that? Is it because you don't like the flavour? Tofu hasn't a flavour - it takes on the flavour of whatever you marinade it in - today it's teriyaki, tomorrow it's smokey barbecue....

Listlad · Mar 30, 2019

lucylocket61 said:
So if someone tries a mainly plant food diet, as in the thread title, and wanted to get around 80-90g of protein a day, they would need to eat over a kilo of Tofu (at 8g protein per 100g) or similar amounts of other plant based proteins every day to get their 80-90g a day of protein? I'm not understanding something here, sorry : (

Interestingly I read in another thread that one member eats a kilo of cheese each day.

Member496333 · Mar 30, 2019

WuTwo said:
Can I ask why you think that? Is it because you don't like the flavour? Tofu hasn't a flavour - it takes on the flavour of whatever you marinade it in - today it's teriyaki, tomorrow it's smokey barbecue....

Just lots of research and personal opinion. Plenty of discussion out there that suggests soy is not really food. You are of course free to make your own choices and I won’t try to influence you.

Listlad · Mar 30, 2019

And so we have it, gravitating back to square one.

Interesting thread @Veryanxious

Member496333 · Mar 30, 2019

Listlad said:
And so we have it, gravitating back to square one.

Interesting thread @Veryanxious

If you have a problem with opinion then feel free to report any posts which you feel have broken forum rules. Otherwise please refrain from turning every discussion into a topic about your own insecurities.

Many thanks.

WuTwo · Mar 30, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
Just lots of research and personal opinion. Plenty of discussion out there that suggests soy is not really food. You are of course free to make your own choices and I won’t try to influence you.

One of the things I love about this forum is that there are so many of us, with differing lifestyles and beliefs. It works well, and helps make it a pleasure to be here.

Jaylee · Mar 30, 2019

OK guys.

Thanks. Thread hijacking, derailment, & bickering will be cut, hence forth..

lucylocket61 · Mar 30, 2019

WuTwo said:
I love tofu but there's no way I'd eat that much!

Say, scrambled tofu at brekkie (I had 140g because I'm greedy. I'm told it tastes like scrambled eggs). Lentils at lunch in my soup, chickpeas and edamame in with a stirfry for dinner, maybe some tofu flavoured with a marinade. Blueberries with yoghurt for dessert (3.9g carb per 100 with 2.3g carb, and believe me, 100g slips down with horrible ease).

Couple of handfuls of peanuts/mixed nuts in the evening.

ah, so its total protein containing foods, not the grams of protein in the food that are counted. So an egg is counted as 50g of protein, not 6g. I just cant work out how your total contains 88g of protein.

eta: not sure if i am threadjacking, as the aspect of the plant based diet i worry about it the protein element. Should I start a different thread @Jaylee?

Jaylee · Mar 30, 2019

lucylocket61 said:
ah, so its total protein containing foods, not the grams of protein in the food that are counted. So an egg is counted as 50g of protein, not 6g. I just cant work out how your total contains 88g of protein.

eta: not sure if i am threadjacking, as the aspect of the plant based diet i worry about it the protein element. Should I start a different thread @Jaylee?

... If you would both be so kind?!

JohnEGreen · Mar 30, 2019

I'm sorry missed the bit about plant food only the only time I have come near to that was the couple of years or so that I was a vegetarian and that was many years ago but I did use things like soya meat substitute and the like it never did me any harm to the best of my knowledge and it was long before I became diabetic so can not say what it's effect on blood sugars was.

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