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I was reading the threads on the forum for sometime and thought to post here to may be share my experiance and possible advice from other members.

I'm 45 and have BP but managed without medication. Couple of months ago a routine blood test showed 6.3 and later another one showed same figures. I'm 5 8 and about 76K and other than eating carb rich meal, snacking and late night dinners didnt have lot of bad habits. So i straight away started cutting down carb, eating on time, moderate exercise and strength exercise. I started losing weight a lot and im now down to 65K in a few months. For the last few days i got a burning feeling in my soles and palms.

I'm near sighted and had difficulty focusing far from when im young. But for a few years i feel that long vision is getting bad. I dont have access to a BS monitor but i tested on a friends a few times. Ater 2 hrs it usually came down to around 6 and a pre meal one around 5.7. After 1 hr i saw spikes like 9. Waiting for a GP appoinment and apreciate any advice to see if what im doing now is right.
 
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I was reading the threads on the forum for sometime and thought to post here to may be share my experiance and possible advice from other members.

I'm 45 and have BP but managed without medication. Couple of months ago a routine blood test showed 6.3 and later another one showed same figures. I'm 5 8 and about 76K and other than eating carb rich meal, snacking and late night dinners didnt have lot of bad habits. So i straight away started cutting down carb, eating on time, moderate exercise and strength exercise. I started losing weight a lot and im now down to 65K in a few months. For the last few days i got a burning feeling in my soles and palms.

I'm near sighted and had difficulty focusing far from when im young. But for a few years i feel that long vision is getting bad. I dont have access to a BS monitor but i tested on a friends a few times. Ater 2 hrs it usually came down to around 6 and a pre meal one around 5.7. After 1 hr i saw spikes like 9. Waiting for a GP appoinment and apreciate any advice to see if what im doing now is right.


I think you should try to count the number of grams of carbs you eat on a day and not go over like 80-100 grams in total and spread those carbs out over the day and avoid spiking more than till the level of 7 and 8 as maximum..
some do need to go as low as under 20 grams of carbs a day..


Another important thing is nutrients... are you sure you do get vitamin b12 in a high enough level, maybe take a multivitamin pill if your food style is very narrow, but better eat more of the from scratch made foods and avoid food made ready in shops and fast food .. what are your typical food choices ?

eat meat and dairy from grass fed animals... really grassfed
 
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Rajran

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Thanks Freema. Earlier it was lot of rice bread pasta etc and sea food and lots and lots of fruits. I dont eat meat. After I found out this raised fasting BS I started having less than cup of rice oat porriage eggs spinach brocali. And I used to eat a lot of nuts at one go and now controlling the potion.

Just wondering if its possible to have some symptoms when carb is controlled to what it was used before.

I read that multivitamins may raise blood sugar. Earlier I used omega 3 fish oil but stopped taking it for a few days as im not sure if has any efect.
 

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@Rajran - Hello and Welcome to the Forum :).
Tagging @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information that all new members receive. Have a read of it and ask any questions you may have.
 

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Thanks Freema. Earlier it was lot of rice bread pasta etc and sea food and lots and lots of fruits. I dont eat meat. After I found out this raised fasting BS I started having less than cup of rice oat porriage eggs spinach brocali. And I used to eat a lot of nuts at one go and now controlling the potion.

Just wondering if its possible to have some symptoms when carb is controlled to what it was used before.

I read that multivitamins may raise blood sugar. Earlier I used omega 3 fish oil but stopped taking it for a few days as im not sure if has any efect.


welcome Rajran
I think that if vitamins do raise blood glucose it is because of some added sugar added to the pills... then choose another kind..
omega 3 fish oils are good for diabetics and so are a Little handfull of nuts every day, people live longer if they eat some nuts daily ...


carb in the amount of 150 grams a day which most that only reduce carbs a bit easily do eat without even noticing it is not really what I consider a controlled levels of carbs ... not for a diabetic type 2 at least... maybe if one was type 1 it would be no problem but most type 2 can only manage less than 100 grams of carbs a day and sometimes less.. like 80 grams or even as low as 20 grams a day

sometimes even people with prediabetes do get neuropathy and also spine problems... there is not really a certain lower border from when one will never get any of the adding diseases but of cause there are more people getting adding conditions the higher their average level of blood glucose and also if they have a frekvent pattern of very high spikes from the meals they eat...
best to be under 7-8 mmols I would think even when spiking... but I am also aiming for very low numbers, a lot can´t get as low as I can even when trying very hard and many think that an HbA1c of 42 is excellent... I would always aim for real non-diabetic levels if I have the character to do so... admitted it is hard some days.....
 
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@Rajran

Hello Rajran and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask any questions you may have and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
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Hi @Rajran and welcome to the forum. You are doing the right thing in cutting down the carbs and fruit, and exercising. The weight loss is good as visceral fat around the liver and pancreas can cause Type 2 diabetes. Am I correct in assuming from your username that you are of South Asian heritage? South Asians also have a higher genetic disposition to T2 diabetes.
The only way to know for sure whether you are pre-diabetic or diabetic is the HbA1c blood test which your GP will arrange if he/she thinks our blood sugar levels are high. Tell your GP that you are getting the burning feeling in hands and feet, as these could be symptoms of diabetes.
 

Rajran

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Thanks all. Its encouraging to get feedback as i was bit lost when i saw it first. Although i knew it may be true as my dad got it in his late 60s. And yes im south asian origin.
I got worried about the too much weight loss as everyone kept commenting how thin i look now. And it got me really stressed and after a few days i suddenly got this burning sensation. Never had this before.
I had lunch with little white rice (about 3/4 of a cup) chicken dhal and some veg. I checked BS around 90min i think and it was 7.6.
 
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@Rajran I am of South Asian descent too, and my mother had T2 diabetes. I was diagnosed T2 at 64. It doesn't sound as if you are too thin at 65 kg and 5'8". I lost over 12 kg and I'm now 63 kg and 5'7". The weight loss was almost entirely from round my middle, which would mean I lost visceral fat, and have reduced my blood sugar level to non-diabetic level.
 

Rajran

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Hello Prem, im still finding how to come up with meal ideas. Any recommendations or sites i can look at?
 

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Hi @Rajran, there are meal suggestions and recipes in the nutrition and recipes section on this forum. dietdoctor.com has lots of good recipes. If you are asking about specifically South Indian meal ideas use the search box to look for a thread there was about Indian food and takeaways. Most Indian curries are quite low carb, though you need to leave out potatoes. The problem is with the rice and bread. Basmati rice is better than other white rice. Brown rice is better. Breads using wholemeal flour like chappatis and parathas are better than those using white flour like naans and puris. But it's better to have more vegetable dishes and eating less rice and breads. Cauliflower rice is a good substitute for rice, you can make it yourself by whizzing cauliflower in a food processor, or you can buy it ready made from most supermarkets now.
Now that I am controlling my diabetes I can eat rice again but less often and in smaller quantities.
Obviously you will need to avoid Indian sweets which are high in sugar.
 

Rajran

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Thanks again. Tempts me to go for one of these yummy takeaways but trying my best not to :) Still lost with what to fill my usual daily carb intake. I depended too much on rice/pasta/naan/bread :-(
 

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Just to comment on this, had a lovely Keralan Coconut curry this evening. This one from a 'kit' though I usually do my own. I now have a small amount of Bulgur wheat in place of rice, but the prawns and sauce are just so good I could do without that anyway.