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Hello Newly Diagnosed T2

patsy g

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi everyone I am patsy I was diagnosed 4 weeks ago with T2. I am still confused but determined to keep my sugars under control. I still cannot believe I am diabetic I am not over weight I am active caving, cycling, hill walking on my days off and work as a health care assistant in a hospital, busy all day. I am a veggie don't drink alcohol or fizzy drinks did not eat much chocolate cake bikkies etc but still got it. I got bad after having a six day course of steroids for my asthma T2 diagnosed 3 mth later. I had had steroids previously and looking back they always affected me but i got back to normal within a few weeks, but not this time.
Anyway part of your group now and hope you can help me get things under control bet you will be more help than the doctors.
 
Doesn't discriminate does it? Anyway, welcome and you'll get all the advice you need here :)

Mike
 
Hi thanks don,t know my BMI but my BG was not to high HbA1c 54 in Sept and then 57 4 week later put on Metformin right away because it was thought I could not do anymore with my diet. I go back next week for a blood test and to see diabetic nurse but if I do not keep my BG levels below 7, even after meals I get tingling feet and my eyes go blurry, my eye sight as already been affected. I can hardly eat anything to keep my BG low then I can get a hypo down to 3.6. I believe I will learn.
 
Doesn't discriminate does it? Anyway, welcome and you'll get all the advice you need here :)

Mike
Defo does not discriminate never mind just need to get my head round things and get advice thanks
 
Hi patsy,

Well done for getting your BG under such tight control.

You mentioned that you were put on metformin because it was felt you couldn't do any better control by diet.
Can I ask if you are following a diet suggested by your doc or nurse?
And what a typical days food is.
That kind of thing...

If you are hardly eating anything, maybe we can help with some suggestions that help you build a sustainable way of eating.
 
Hello @patsy g .

Welcome to the forum. I guess from your post you are a bit shocked at having T2 diagnosis? I remember feeling like that too.
There is lots of good advice here, and support, so ask away when you are ready.
 
Hello Patsy and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the advice we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you want and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi patsy,

Well done for getting your BG under such tight control.

You mentioned that you were put on metformin because it was felt you couldn't do any better control by diet.
Can I ask if you are following a diet suggested by your doc or nurse?
And what a typical days food is.
That kind of thing...

If you are hardly eating anything, maybe we can help with some suggestions that help you build a sustainable way of eating.

Thanks for your reply. My diet consisted veggies no sugar taken with drinks skimmed or semi skimmed milk I did not eat very much bread which is whole meal I may have had a vegan cake once a week. Breakfast was nearly always porridge I also did not drink or take fizzy drinks but I did have juice which I do not have.
My normal days diet in work used to be porridge for breakfast, a veggie pasta, whole mea, or sandwich for lunch, soup (home made) or sandwich for tea. The sandwich would be 2 slices of whole meal bread small amour of butter egg or veggie paste and salad.
At home I would make stews with lentils beans veggies, bean burgers made with beans small amount of wholemeal flour and egg, veggie cottage pie stuff like that very little pastry loads of salad raw spinach etc. They were not big portions.
When caving mountain/hill walking would increase intake but with seed and nut bars not sugary stuff but my sugars were high.
yesterday I had porridge and coffee a small potion of cuscus and bean salad, no sauce, and two thin slices of toast with a few beans BG stayed steady last meal 6pm BG this morning,fasting, 5.7. If I keep up like this there will be nothing left. The other lunch time my BG was 9 I had only my usual porridge could not eat anything else Until tea time when they had come down to 5.

I take one 500mg of metformin in the morning with breakfast
I hope this gives you some insight to my former diet very healthy no meat loads of veggies lentils beans not much bread I never ate to much fruit but would have a bit, and took loads of exercise. I still think it had something to do with the steroid tablets.
 
Hello Patsy and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the advice we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you want and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Thanks for the info my doc said I don,t need to monitor my blood sugars but I got a metre anyway how else could I monitor what was going on. I work in the hospital and see first hand the results of BG not being controlled. I go next week to see the diabetic nurse for the first time, a one hour appointment, any suggestions what I should be asking, and at the end of October I go to the hospital for a retinopathy screening.
 
Hello @patsy g .

Welcome to the forum. I guess from your post you are a bit shocked at having T2 diagnosis? I remember feeling like that too.
There is lots of good advice here, and support, so ask away when you are ready.
Well done I hope I can get there I am lucky weight wise but worried I will end up looking anorexic
 
Well done I hope I can get there I am lucky weight wise but worried I will end up looking anorexic
lets try this patsy, if you don't eat you'll get crook, it sounds like you don't have a lot of weight to play with.
blurry eyes are normal, it will go in a couple of weeks/months, it's the drop in sugar and it comes out the lens [or something like that]

go and make yourself a big fry up of meat eggs mushrooms tomato and anything else that isn't grain, grain product, potato and other starch. fruit

after you've had a feed and feel better, have a read of this lot
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm because carbs don’t give up easy.

testing
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
food count
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/



http://diabeticmediterraneandiet.com/low-carb-mediterranean-diet/
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
if you buy extra boxes of strips there is a discount code
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833
 
I'm guessing you're vegetarian?

Have a look at low GI/low GL diets as well, there is a lot of vegetable content, and can help lower BS significantly.
But the only way to be sure is to eat to your meter, and find food that suits you.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your diet description.
I'm a carnivore (well, omnivore, really), so I'm not the best person to help, but scanning your yesterday's diet, you are eating very little, but what you are eating seems quite high in carbs (porridge, couscous and toast). This is standard NHS advice, but many of us find that level of carbs is too much (as shown by our BG testing.

I'm not going to tell you to cut carbs drastically - just because I low carb doesn't mean it would work for you - but I suggest you have a look at some of @Avocado Sevenfold 's posts. Particularly in this thread. Avocado is a veggie, and puts together some absolutely delicious and interesting meals (with pics).

I find them inspiring, and have used several of her ideas.

Since you are veggie, I encourage you to get tested for B12 deficiency even more strongly! It could make a major difference to you in the long run.

And yes. You are not the only person on this forum who tipped into diabetes after a steroid prescription. :(
 
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