Well, I 've just had an interesting chat at my new diabetic clinic. For a T1 to lose weight, they need to reduce their insulin. In particular, for me, that means reducing my lantus.
For what it's worth which isn't much, I took one look at the "eatwell plate" and realised it was absolutely crazy. I wouldn't eat like that if I was healthy, I'd expect to end up the size of a house, and with diabetes you're going to end up taking a billion units a day and if you get that wrong it will not be very nice either way.
That and it's disgustingly patronising.
Am I the only person to think that? Am I an idiot again?
Not sure why no one's mentioned calories. You need to count calories if you want to lose weight.
For example if you eat 1800 calories a day and weigh yourself every day and you aren't losing weight, move it down to 1700 calories a day for a week and see if it changes. Keep going until you start losing weight.
From experience unless you take it to an extreme the amount you inject or the amount of carbs matters not, it's all calories. Even when losing weight my dinner is usually 200g carbs covered by 20+ units of novorapid and I have no problems whatsoever.
If you burn more calories than you take in you can literally eat whatever you want and are still guaranteed to lose weight.
Not sure why no one's mentioned calories. You need to count calories if you want to lose weight.
For example if you eat 1800 calories a day and weigh yourself every day and you aren't losing weight, move it down to 1700 calories a day for a week and see if it changes. Keep going until you start losing weight.
From experience unless you take it to an extreme the amount you inject or the amount of carbs matters not, it's all calories. Even when losing weight my dinner is usually 200g carbs covered by 20+ units of novorapid and I have no problems whatsoever.
If you burn more calories than you take in you can literally eat whatever you want and are still guaranteed to lose weight.
I’m sorry but that is wrong on so many levels. Your 200g carb meal and a 20 shot is absolutely mental. That’s roughly a full on Indian/Chinese take out with all the trimmings or a large portion of fish and chips. Which would make most type 1’s sugars spike into the high teens, even with that huge shot. I take it that’s split into 3 different sites?
Please don’t advise others like that. It’s calorie counting that’s added to the problem and reducing them in replace of carbs is utter non sense. I eat more than the recommendation of calories in the form of the eggs, butter, cheese and meat heavy meals on a daily basis. With hardly any carbs whatsoever. I’m never gonna put on weight. I’m my perfect bmi, My insulin needs are the bare minimum also. When I was eating like advised and had the occasional treat like fish and chips or even something classed as not that sweet from the Chinese my blood sugars would go mental even with enough insulin to cover the meal. 15 units back then, I was very active, 30 mile off road mountain bike treks, swimming, walked everywhere. Still had a podge around my stomach. Reduced carbs and insulin and better energy sources like protein and calories I’ve never been so toned and my exercise levels have reduced to almost zero..
Playing with fire whacking 20 units of Insulin in yourself to eat a 200g carb laden meal.
No. Just, No.
Losing weight isn't just about losing weight, for a start, it's about losing it correctly and to make someone healthier. A gram of fat, carbs and protein react in your body in completely different ways. As Diabetics, this is obvious as eating 20g of carbs will work in a completely different way to 20g of fat or protein.
If I keep hearing people saying a calorie is just a calorie, i'll go absolutely mad.
If your eating 200g carbs and having 20 units of novorapid then your on pretty much the same ratio as most including myself when I was using novorapid to cover carb heavy mealsFirstly, insulin requirements differ from person to person and 20 isn't that much. When first diagnosed in my teens I was injecting 40 for much less carbs. 200g is an example of me, perhaps extreme yet I still lose weight incredibly easy while doing it. And no I don't spike into the high teens, most of the time not even over 8.
If you don't eat carbs then you're into ketosis and normal rules don't apply. However for most that's an incredibly boring life.
If I'm playing with fire then fire has given me a non diabetic a1c for 12 years.
Most people can't handle the truth that they just need to eat less. While healthy macros may make your body slightly healthier, it's not required. And plus, carbs aren't unhealthy.
I'm a lifter and on my cut while trying to preserve muscle I got a six pack extremely easily with a high carb **** diet. From anecdotes alone mine is stronger.
If your eating 200g carbs and having 20 units of novorapid then your on pretty much the same ratio as most including myself when I was using novorapid to cover carb heavy meals
Almost all our vitamins and minerals come from carbs, there’s just certain ones that some diabetics are best to avoid. I’m never in ketosis and consume 30g carbs a day max.
One thing I can tell you though increased carb intake leads to more insulin needed to keep blood sugars stable and without using that extra glucose, I.e running a marathon every night after consumption then your going to be storing all that excess glucose as fat once that massive shot of insulin has dealt with it and that’s a fact. Not a boring life.. just fact..
Except me - I have proved it to myself over and over - low calorie, I go deathly pale and collapse, unable to achieve anything - sometimes not even standing up.Not sure why no one's mentioned calories. You need to count calories if you want to lose weight.
For example if you eat 1800 calories a day and weigh yourself every day and you aren't losing weight, move it down to 1700 calories a day for a week and see if it changes. Keep going until you start losing weight.
From experience unless you take it to an extreme the amount you inject or the amount of carbs matters not, it's all calories. Even when losing weight my dinner is usually 200g carbs covered by 20+ units of novorapid and I have no problems whatsoever.
If you burn more calories than you take in you can literally eat whatever you want and are still guaranteed to lose weight.
I agree that the Eatwellplate is an anathema. I certainly wouldn't eat.For what it's worth which isn't much, I took one look at the "eatwell plate" and realised it was absolutely crazy. I wouldn't eat like that if I was healthy, I'd expect to end up the size of a house, and with diabetes you're going to end up taking a billion units a day and if you get that wrong it will not be very nice either way.
That and it's disgustingly patronising.
Am I the only person to think that? Am I an idiot again?
Love it, running round like a spring lamb rather than a spring chicken!! 200gm is massive, probably a week for me too but I sneak with G&TsExcept me - I have proved it to myself over and over - low calorie, I go deathly pale and collapse, unable to achieve anything - sometimes not even standing up.
When I eat low carb I can consume far more calories, run around like a spring lamb and lose weight easily.
200 gm of carb is, for me, not a meal, but almost a week's allowance - if I want to lose weight.
Insulin is a growth hormone that builds fat, when excess glucose is in the body and more insulin is added to deal with it what do you get? In your instance you have youth on your side and your lifting weights so training hard at the same time. You also sound like you have a speedy metabolism like myself. Not sure what you weigh but I’m coming in at 57kg at 5.7. Lean as hell and my insulin works a dream. It’s been proven not only through scientific research but also what we see day in day out that adding more carbs and insulin leads to increased body weight, which then leads to increased insulin resistance and even more insulin needed. Then fat is then built instead of lean muscle and the circle gets even more vicious.Unless I'm a genetic anomaly it's not a fact. I'm a lifter and go through bulk and cut cycles and have done for 5+ years. I don't particularly enjoy eating so I eat lots of carbs as they're high in calories.
Every single time I cut I find it incredibly easy to lose weight and if anything as the years go on I'm injecting less insulin while eating more. Perhaps due to increased muscle mass.
The only times I've found what you eat actually matters are near bodybuilder level bodyfat levels. Or at high strength levels where you need lots of protein to progress.
I cut out carbs, basically. I went full keto with my food, so less than 30g carbs a day, around 50g protein and up to 100g fat. I think that comes to a total of 1200 calories, but I’m not counting calories. That’s more than enough for my fairly inactive lifestyle, I’ve got plenty to eat, am never hungry between meals and have lost 9lbs since I started at the beginning of February. I’ve cut my basal in half down to 20 units a day, and rarely need more than a unit of Novorapid with any food - I’ve just had to request a half unit pen as a whole unit is proving too much. And I feel great, for the first time in 20 years. Plus, I’ve dropped my HbA1c almost in half in that time.You left me hanging there ha appease tell me what you decided to dothanks
Insulin takers with too low carb meals will convert protein into glucose instead. You will find your bolusing for protein in carb absence.
Try and balance the 2 safely.
100-150g carb and high protein works well for me to lose weight, on insulin.
Insulin is a growth hormone that builds fat, when excess glucose is in the body and more insulin is added to deal with it what do you get? In your instance you have youth on your side and your lifting weights so training hard at the same time. You also sound like you have a speedy metabolism like myself. Not sure what you weigh but I’m coming in at 57kg at 5.7. Lean as hell and my insulin works a dream. It’s been proven not only through scientific research but also what we see day in day out that adding more carbs and insulin leads to increased body weight, which then leads to increased insulin resistance and even more insulin needed. Then fat is then built instead of lean muscle and the circle gets even more vicious.
Ever heard of dr Bernstein??
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?