Heathenlass
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 1
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- Insulin
A couple of things spring to mind, @artemis are you vegetarian low carbing ? I can't remember if you said you were veggie ? As @robert72 pointed out, there are symptoms that match yours from low carbing, but usually they pass very soon after starting as the body adapts .
However, the symptom list also matches those that people have reported on Lantus and Levemir . More so with Lantus, but that's been around longer than Levemir, so there's been less time for people to report back. It's also been a problem for people to get the HCP's to take them seriously when they report such symptoms. I'm not saying that's what it is, just a possibility
I had all you describe and more, including crushing night time hypos on as little as 2 u of Lantus at night . Going back to an oldie but goodie insulin for basal, Insulatard, worked very well for me, but Tresiba may be good for you, if they prescribe it in your area, mine won't as they balk at the cost
The reason I asked about you being veggie is that you say that novo rapid seems to miss the peak. Whether you are veggie or not, a meal that contains slow release carbohydrate and/or fat can peak later, as much as three or fours hours after novo rapid misses the mark, first of all showing a dip in BG then high levels later. This is most marked if you are eating pulses and soya .
There is a middle road between porcine and bovine insulins, and the newer analogues such as novo rapid, and these are the earlier human insulins, Humulin being one. They have a different profile, needing to be taken about 30 minutes before eating, and peak slightly later than novo. Speaking for myself, they work much better with LCHF or even LC medium fat . There are also others you could try that could hit the peak. It's unlikely that you would be prescribed porcine, sadly the reaction is much the same as if you ask for a course of leeches
I would suggest that if you are able to print out your BG levels from your meter as a graph as well as the stats, it's very useful to take those along to your appointment, as it's easier to match them with different insulins profiles.
It's easy to feel as if you are going nuts when you have symptoms that apparently you shouldn't have I heard the lot - " it's insulin, it doesn't have side effects "' ? " Lantus doesn't give you night time hypos " Oh really ? LOL ! It does seem to me that some consultants and DSN's have their own pet preferences ( hint - watch out for coffee mugs and toasters with a pharma logo knocking about the office ) All joking aside, it is worth asking that you try different ones and give each a fair crack of the whip to find one that suits you. It makes all the difference
Signy
However, the symptom list also matches those that people have reported on Lantus and Levemir . More so with Lantus, but that's been around longer than Levemir, so there's been less time for people to report back. It's also been a problem for people to get the HCP's to take them seriously when they report such symptoms. I'm not saying that's what it is, just a possibility
I had all you describe and more, including crushing night time hypos on as little as 2 u of Lantus at night . Going back to an oldie but goodie insulin for basal, Insulatard, worked very well for me, but Tresiba may be good for you, if they prescribe it in your area, mine won't as they balk at the cost
The reason I asked about you being veggie is that you say that novo rapid seems to miss the peak. Whether you are veggie or not, a meal that contains slow release carbohydrate and/or fat can peak later, as much as three or fours hours after novo rapid misses the mark, first of all showing a dip in BG then high levels later. This is most marked if you are eating pulses and soya .
There is a middle road between porcine and bovine insulins, and the newer analogues such as novo rapid, and these are the earlier human insulins, Humulin being one. They have a different profile, needing to be taken about 30 minutes before eating, and peak slightly later than novo. Speaking for myself, they work much better with LCHF or even LC medium fat . There are also others you could try that could hit the peak. It's unlikely that you would be prescribed porcine, sadly the reaction is much the same as if you ask for a course of leeches
I would suggest that if you are able to print out your BG levels from your meter as a graph as well as the stats, it's very useful to take those along to your appointment, as it's easier to match them with different insulins profiles.
It's easy to feel as if you are going nuts when you have symptoms that apparently you shouldn't have I heard the lot - " it's insulin, it doesn't have side effects "' ? " Lantus doesn't give you night time hypos " Oh really ? LOL ! It does seem to me that some consultants and DSN's have their own pet preferences ( hint - watch out for coffee mugs and toasters with a pharma logo knocking about the office ) All joking aside, it is worth asking that you try different ones and give each a fair crack of the whip to find one that suits you. It makes all the difference
Signy