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Help with GI Diet Newbie

sdgray22

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OK got the GI counter. Is there anything else you need to be aware of when using theis method do you need to look at calories, fat or sugar or carbohydrate. It says that things like chocolate chip cookies are Low but surely the sugar would give you a spike. Explanation please. Also bought some low GI bread from Birds the Bakers today but none of the assistants knew wether it was medium or low GI or wether you had to limit your intake for it to be low GI.
Sharon
 
You have probably been a bit quick to dismiss that anyone was going to help you. You posted at 9pm last night and decided by 9am this morning that nobody was going to help.

This forum has more activity in the daytime and I'm sure someone would have answered you.

I cut carbs in general and don't follow the GI thing. I also don't eat bread because I'm wheat intollerant and don't replace it with the gluten free stuff, by doing this I eat less carbs overall.
 
Sharon, don't get mixed up between GI and amount of carbs; it's not one or the other, you need to look at both.
You need to settle on a level of carbs, for example 100grams a day for you would be 50% of guideline amount for a woman. THEN you make sure they're GOOD (low GI) carbs.
GI isn't a definitive thing. They arrive at figures for GI by getting non-diabetics to eat that food and seeing the effect on their blood sugar. This could vary a lot from test to test, so it's only an estimation. Nonetheless, it's a good guide.
You get other clues to GI. When you look at nutrition labels, it will say "Carb content..." then next line "Of which sugars...." In general terms, if 2 things had the same carb content, but one had higher "Of which sugars..", then that higher one wouldn't be so good. You can't rely just on that though. Flour would have virtually no "of which sugar", but white flour is very high GI.
Regarding calories, it's up to you. However, many find that if you're reducing carbs considerably, then your weight will fall anyway even if you don't study calory content. Same approach with fat. I know saturated fat is bad for all of us, but by focusing on carbs and ignoring fat intake, my cholesterol has fallen from 5.5'ish to 3.8 last test.
I concern myself as a diabetic ONLY with sugar levels, and keeping reasonably fit. I therefore focus only on carbs and exercise. But that's my approach.......
 
Sorry didn't see this yesterday. A really good site for things about a GI diet is the one at Sydney University where much of the research has been done
http://www.glycemicindex.com/index.php
The frequently asked questions could help you a lot.
Choc chip cookies may have a lower GI than other biscuits, because the fat content is high so absorption of the sugar would take longer.
There haven't been that many 'official tests' , there are a couple where they used coconut flour and reduced sugar at 43 and 37 but the others are 47. Their glycemic load is also fairly high (ie they have a high percentage of carbs. (the FAqs explain this well).
The glycemic index is particularly useful in choosing between two different food items with similar carbohydrate levels.. ie between different types of bread, different types of rice potatoes , or fruit You can apply the same principle to cakes and biscuits but you still need to make choices about whether or not a product is healthy for you. (frosties have a relatively low GI because of the manufacturing process but they are still refined grains with added sugar and not much else)

As to eating more of a low GI product. The GI remains the same (it's relative to other foods) but blood glucose will be higher than if you ate less of it.
( eat 1 slice of low GI bread and 1 slice of higher GI white bread... your glucose levels would be higher after the white bread. If you ate 2 slices of low GI bread glucose levels would be higher than eating 1 slice, similarly with a higher GI bread)
Portion size does matter.
(just an addition, it's not actually true that all GI testing is done with non diabetics. Most of the original tests were done on people with diabetes and probably just under half of the tests in the Sydney Index are on people with diabetes. (If you click on a record in the database you can see whether it was tested on a 'normal' or diabetic population.) When foods have been tested on people with diabetes and without there is a strong correlation between the two. Something high GI on a normal person will be high on a person with diabetes and vice versa, so the ranking is the same. However, the glucose levels reached in the person with diabetes will be higher than someone without D.)
 
Ok digested all of this :lol: What did all of you low carbers eat yesterday? just for ideas I know everyone is different..
Sharon
 
sdgray22 said:
Thankyou its all getting clearer
Sharon

I'm glad it is for someone :crazy: - I think I need to find a quiet place and read that all again.
 
You made me laugh swimmer2 that is rare at the moment. All I seem to do is think carbs and what I can eat next!!!
Sharon
 
sdgray22 said:
Ok digested all of this :lol: What did all of you low carbers eat yesterday? just for ideas I know everyone is different..
Sharon

So, for brekky I had some bite-size shredded wheat - I can handle carbs in the morning quite well. Shredded wheat have same carbs as a lot of other cereals, but almost zero sugar compared to most. I had them with 1% fat milk, and had 2 cups coffee.
lunch was a sarnie made with low GI burgen soya and linseed bread (sainsburys and tescos). As well as low GI, has less total carbs as slices smaller! Had fresh ham and mustard in them. Side salad of lettuce and cherry tomatos. Couple of chunks of cheese and silverskin pickled onions on the side.
Dinner was frozen white fish (buy it in big bags in sainsburys) with a bit of pesto, sliced tomato, onion and mushroom on top, wrapped in foil and baked in oven for 25 mins (baked from frozen), served with brocolli and 2 baby new potatos boiled.
In ther evening, I had some mixed salted and roasted nuts for a snack (not a big portion) and before bed I had a glass (small) of unsweetened alpro soya milk.
Total carbs for the day were about 130 that day.
 
Hi Sharon

Below is a description of my usual daily food choices, just for info really. It's from an email I sent to another member. I am a very-low-carber, so it probably won't suit you, but I've posted it so you can see a basic low-carb diet. This one is based on Atkins Induction.

You can choose how many carbs you want to eat a day, then add extra Low GI foods to the diet I follow until you reach your target. You could add in fruit. As you increase the carbs, you drop the fat a bit, but don't be frightened of natural fats.

My Daily Food Choices
"On my 'basic' Atkins-derived diet, I have a two-egg omelette almost every morning for breakfast; plain, or with mushrooms or cheese. If you don’t want eggs, you can eat bacon, sausage, tomatoes, mushrooms – in fact, the full English breakfast, only without bread, potatoes or baked beans.

Occasionally I will have about 30g of Lizi’s granola, or Allbran sweetened with Splenda. Either will take you over your daily carb allowance at first, but sometimes I need the fibre.

There’s no reason why you can’t have salad for breakfast; chicken salad is really very nice in the morning. If you’re short of time, prepare a plastic box full of tomato, sliced pepper, celery, radishes, cubes of cheese or a couple of Baby Bels, cold meat – bite sized pieces. Shove it in the fridge overnight, get it out in the morning, and grab a piece every time you pass while you’re getting ready.

That does really well for snacks too, or you can sit it on the passenger seat and grab a piece at a time while your driving.

I usually have a large mixed salad for lunch with either fish (mackerel; tuna; salmon:) or meat (usually poultry); and/or cheese; sometimes an avocado. Mayonnaise.

Supper will be fish or meat (red, poultry or good sausages) with veg (from: broccoli, cauli, leeks, green beans, courgettes, cabbage, a few carrots and so on; low-carb). Sometimes I make an enormous ratatouille and eat that as my veg over a few days. Butter and/or grated cheese on veg. Mayonnaise (full fat).

Snacks (I don't snack every day) are mainly cheese, cold meat, rarely a few nuts (a small handful – almonds, hazel, brazils, walnuts, pecans, macadamia), a few olives; and if I need a 'crunch', oatcakes or sesame Ryvita, with butter. They’re about 5g carbs per biscuit; no more than 4 a day – if you’re being really strict, you shouldn’t eat them at all at first – 20g per day is your allowance!

Vegetables – I eat up to 14oz of salad, and 14oz of the allowed veg, every day. In practise, it’s probably about 8oz of each – 14oz is a lot of salad!

No fruit at all in the early stage. If I have fruit, it will usually be berries; apples, plums, and apricots/nectarines in season. I certainly don't eat fruit every day.

Cream or live yoghurt with fruit; milk in coffee (1 or 2 a day) and on the cereal if I eat it. I have two pints of semi-skimmed delivered every week, and usually throw some of it away. With milk, the higher the fat the lower the carb; that’s why cream is allowed. I don't eat cheese every day, despite the above. I probably eat 1 pkt (half-pound) of butter a week. Oil is always cold-pressed extra virgin olive - I've just discovered it contains almost 16% saturated fat - nothing is simple, is it?"

Please ask any questions you like.

Viv 8)
 
Viv thats a very strict diet. frightening actually. But it obviously works for you. Not sure I could be quite so focused. I am going for the 90-100 carb regime which is a lot less than I would normally have eaten. I am just about managing it. All early days yet only a couple of weeks diagnosed.
Sharon
 
As I said, Sharon, there's no reason it should suit everyone. I think your target is probably about right for now, and you can always drop the carbs a bit more as you get used to having less.

I'm lucky in a way as there's only me, so i don't buy in any foods that I can't eat. But I don't find it strict. I suppose I'm used to it.There's so much variety in the food you can eat even with these simple ingredients, and it's dead easy to follow. Also, I've been dieting for so long that biscuits, cake etc haven't been on my menus, except as occasional treats, for more years than I care to think about :shock: .

Let us know how you get on.

Viv 8)
 
Just posted on one of the other threads about low carb to say how well this low carb thing works. Just to say I got a reading of 7.8 tonight. 12 days ago i was 12 spiking to 18:thumbup: my diet is up and down some days its 60 carbs and sometimes 80 not quite got a rhythm yet but today I ate a lower amount of carbs and got the 7.8 reading. Didn't feel hungry either.
breakfast 1 slice burgen bread and 1 egg scrambled
lunch 1 small glass orange joice, a small slice of creamy cheese and an apple
dinner was 2 slices cheddar cheese and 2 slices ham with a reasonably large green salad with 100gram potato salad
treat was 2 pieces 70% chocolate
Sharon
 
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