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High blood but not eating, how?

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On many occasions in the morning I have porridge for breakfast, if my blood sugar is high I skip breakfast and have a small yoghurt, but my sugar levels go up to between 13 and 16 mm/mol. Can anyone help,
Yours
Maurice McNelis.
 
Some people appear to get dawn phenomenal. Pretty much liver trying to be helpful and raising glucose levels to help you start the day. Some people have found eating a few nuts is sufficient enough that the stomach sends msg to liver saying you've eaten which can help stop liver producing extra glucose for you
 
Hi Maurice, can you give us an idea what insulin regime you are on?

What is your typical Blood sugar when you get up before you eat your yogurt?
 
On many occasions in the morning I have porridge for breakfast, if my blood sugar is high I skip breakfast and have a small yoghurt, but my sugar levels go up to between 13 and 16 mm/mol. Can anyone help,
Yours
Maurice McNelis.
Hi @Maurice McNelis , In addition to the questions above, what type of yoghurt do you eat? How many carbs does it have?
Do you adjust your insulin doses based on the amount of carbs in your meals?
 
My vote is for Foot on the Floor or Dawn Phenomenon.

I don't really find that eating helps much, though exercise and/or alcohol the previous evening do help.

ps forgot to ask have you the ability to check ketones? if high blood +1.5 drink plently water if +3 get self to a&e. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/diabetic-ketoacidosis/ thats something should watch out for
I really don't think there's too much need to worry about ketones (even in the 3's) unless you don't have any insulin on board: https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/boards/threads/normal-ketone-values.110801
 
On many occasions in the morning I have porridge for breakfast, if my blood sugar is high I skip breakfast and have a small yoghurt, but my sugar levels go up to between 13 and 16 mm/mol. Can anyone help,
Yours
Maurice McNelis.
I don't pretend to understand the science of this, but I can relate to this experience. My blood glucose will often go high even if I skip dinner in the evening. What I have found helps on these occasions, is to just have a small amount of insulin (say 3 units), with a snack, rather than completely go without food. For example, without having a proper meal, I might have 2 or 3 dessert spoons of Greek Yoghurt with a few blueberries (or even 3 or 4 grapes instead of blueberries). For some reason this works out better regarding the glucose levels overnight and the following morning, than having nothing to eat at all! If I eat nothing, then as the evening progresses, my glucose levels goes up and will still be high overnight and the following morning.... To me, a comparative ignoramus, this is a total mystery.

I can only assume as someone else on here has said, that the liver pumps glucose out (or some similar concoction), because the body thinks it is being starved when we skip meals, and this then makes the glucose rise much more than you would expect given the lack of food you know you have put in your body. However, if you allow yourself to correct the level with insulin, eating a little at the same time, I think you will find that later the next day, even the liver may be befuddled ---as it will now have less glucose to pump out actually because you did not have dinner the night before. And so that might be seen as a benefit ...?

I am sure there will be others on this site who will be able to explain why this happens better than I can. I am only describing what seems to be happening to me, and my interpretation/explanation may be awry.

These days, my usual glucose level in the mornings is at least 9 mmols/L. It used to be lower, around 6 or 7. But for me, things have changed radically in the last year.

But I think I have learnt something, as indicated in my initial paragraph. I hope this helps!
 
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