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treacle puddingless

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Type of diabetes
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I stumbled across a website (http://www.diabetes-diet.org.uk ) promoting a high protien type diet for diabetics yesterday. I spent some time reading the various pages which seemed to make sense. I am having trouble getting my sugars balanced and am giving it a go with my diabetic nurses being informed.
I just wondered if anybody else had come across this website and had any views or if anybody would take a look themselves and give me there opinion.
The site makes some big claims so fingers crossed maybe one day I can get my chops around a treacle pudding (major one time treat of course). :shock: :D
 
Hi Treacle,
Have just had a look at the site and their general conclusion is that Type-2s need a low carb diet. Interesting since that is the only UK website other than this one that goes against government dogma in recommending a low-carb diet. They seem to favour an Atkins/Bernstein style low-carb diet of 30g of carbs per day, which some people find is a little too low carb for comfort.

I was a bit concerned to see that in their What Not To Eat section they state that the only sweetener you should use is Stevia. You won't find Stevia on sale in the UK (except by a few outlets who have illegally imported it) because the Food Standards Agency has banned its sale in the UK!!!

But otherwise, from a very quick first glance, their dietary advice seems to follow the same principles that the more experienced diabetics on this forum recommend.
 
I took a quick look at the link, and it really made my day. Now there are 2 diabetes sites in the UK where the NHS / DUK dietary nonsense gets the good kicking it deserves! :D

Joy! Rapture!

All the best,

fergus
 
Well Fergus I looked at the first page and this is what I read.

but In fact, diabetes is probably not only the easiest medical condition to treat, it is also easy to prevent and, in type-2 at least, not difficult to cure.

The Diabetes Diet also benefits Type-1 diabetics. Type-1 diabetics will certainly be able to reduce their insulin, and may be able to stop injecting insulin altogether with the correct diabetes diet
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misinformation like that does little to add to the credibility of the site.
 
Didn't spot that one, Nellie! It's just this site that knows it's onions then?

All the best,

fergus
 
Fergus,
I think this site belongs to our old friend Barry Groves (the Second Opinions bloke). Heart's in the right place but unfortunately not medically qualified.
 
hi fergus - yes i am back. Spent the week riding round your neck of the woods - well not me on the back of a BMW!


Barry groves - ahhhhh another crackpot!
 
Hmm... what an odd site. It has a lot of information, some of which is quite interesting. In particular it has lots of references to the research literature, which is a very good thing, and his dietary advice looks to be quite good. However, there are some peculiar points of view and some potentially dangerous mistakes. For example some that I have noticed: Type 2 diabetes is "effectively curable"; anti-diabetic drugs are only necessary if the diet is poor; degeneration of diabetes is effectively caused, or at least hastened, by anti-diabetic drugs; being overweight is harmless or beneficial (actually he doesn't say that, but he strongly implies it and certainly thinks that the dangers of being overweight are overstated); a low fat, ostensibly "healthy" diet is likely to cause weight gain. I'm not sure where all of these ideas come from - I haven't spent time going through his references. However, he either is misunderstanding a lot of the literature or, is taking it out of context, or else he has found some pretty kooky research!
 
Hi when I firsted posted this subject I hadn't heard of Stevia and I noticed in one of the post's someone mentioned it was banned in the uk.
I have already purchased and recieved some from ebay. I just checked the location it supposedly came from and the add stated Reading.
I haven't used it yet but i assume that being banned in the uk means I should be worried about using it as it is a bit dodgy?
To be honest I am finding the whole process of knowing which way to turn as far as diet and what I can or can't eat to be a minefield of contradictions. Even when I was first diagnosed the literature I was handed at my health centre didn't add up.
I have been eating the high protien diet fro twothree days now and I feel a little better (no tingling fingers etc although not sure if the intial excitemnet of some hope gave me a placebo effect) and my sugars have dropped a few points.
I will stick with it for a short time and see what happens. Enjoying the Lard though!! :twisted: :roll:
 
Hi Treacle,
You weren't to know. Its quite possible that you actually bought it from a seller outside the EU, but it was simply despatched from Reading. I have extracted this from the Food Standards Agency website:

"As a result of the outcome of safety assessments which have been carried out Stevia and stevioside are not permitted for sale as food or food ingredients in the UK or elsewhere within the EU."

And this is why (from their summary of the various researches into Stevia):
"The data considered by the Committee indicated that the extract has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA)."

The first applications to sell Stevia in the UK were made in 1999 and were refused on the basis of EU research. There was a fresh application made in 2002 but this was also rejected on the basis that the applicants could provide no new research to show the product to be safe. No further applications have been made since then, although, where the FSA find it being sold, they contact the sellers to warn that sale within the UK is illegal. FSA seem to prefer the approach of sending warnings rather than prosecuting.

In view of the fact that Ebay have just been done for allowing fake Louis Vuitton bags to be sold, looks like they could have some more problems coming their way!

My advice would be ditch the Stevia and use Splenda instead. It may not taste exactly like sugar, but it is palatable, reasonably priced and (unlike the other sweeteners) has no known side effects.
 
I did a search on Stevia a while back. apprently it's popular in Japan, where it's been used for decades. I didn't find any evidence that it's harmful and Bernstein likes it. the only reason for banning it that I could find, was that it hasn't been tested in the EU and found to be safe. In fact I think it hasn't been tested at all. the fact that it's used in Japan doesn't count for much. Still I've never had any and I live in Reading :D
 
I'm sorry Hana but it has been researched and it was as a result of that research that it has been banned. Please see the Stevia thread I posted this morning.
 
hi - has anyone been able to open the contact page on that web site. I cannot open it!!

I dont know what others feel but who knows who has written this website but obviuosly has a problem with HP but clearly does not understand the diverse society we live in. i found the site worrying and I wish there was a way of controlling them - it is a complete nonsense that HP would get into real hot water - that is why it often appears the advice is watered down because we cannot give indvidual advice.
 
I am supposed to be doing some work and have tried opening contact page on main pc - won't open !

I ahve just been scrolling pages - claims like you can prevent diabetes and being overwt is ok - who is writing this C+++++++.

The one that always makes me giggle is the comment about liver containing 4 times as much vit c than fruit - hand up who eats it every day! I can't stand it !
 
ally5555 said:
has anyone been able to open the contact page on that web site. I cannot open it!!
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Either by accident or design that link is dead - it doesn't give an error, the resulting web page is just completely empty.

ally5555 said:
I dont know what others feel but who knows who has written this website
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I was intrigued, so I dug around a bit. All that I could find out is that the domain is registered to the "Kohima Research Facility". I haven't been able to find anything about this with Google, and there isn't anything registered under that name with Companies House. If anyone has heard of them please post.

ally5555 said:
i found the site worrying and I wish there was a way of controlling them
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I am afraid that is the web for you. It is a wonderful thing, but it is an anarchy - full of rubbish, misleading information and scams as well as tremendously useful stuff. Often the most deceptive sites are the ones, like this one, with high production values and plausible half-truths. Caveat emptor!
 
oh gosh i couldnt agree more the web is fab but there are some awful websites and cranks along with loads of cures for everything. !!

I had wondered if the contact link was a fake!!
 
I think he is a very dodgy guy! He claims so many things and all are unproven . They are all following a pattern and so interlinked! - look at his links pages !

I emailed him a long time ago and he was very nasty! He is another one making alot of money - pity us HP are too ethical! - only joking!

Fergus I am still trying to read that book - must admit the back page is winding me up - fat doesnt make u fat - that is a joke yes - should see what some of my real clients have been eating - my guess is he has never spoken to a real person !! Ahhh im off to open a bottle of wine - well it is sat night!
 
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