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How many calories to aim for?

Daffodils1

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Hello, newly diagnosed month ago and been reading this site, so helpful, thanks all for sharing. When diagnosed hba1c 53. Have reduced carbs, taking 30 mins walk every day, and read and applying david Cavens book reverse your diabetes. Diabetic nurse not offering metre so bought my own and first test results are today: before breakfast 7.3, 2 hrs after breakfast 6.0, before lunch 5.9 and 2hrs later 6.3. Was expecting after breakfast to be higher than before so bit odd but overall, hopefully impact of diet changes and exercise starting to come through... But am not loosing weight! Lost 5 pounds after diagnosis Initially but assuming that water due to reducing carbs quite substantially, and then only half a pound in last week. Reckon I am eating around 60 - 70 carbs, 1300 calories. Wondering if I should eat less calories overall, or even more. Mohave some weight to lose....diabetic nurse said eating too little would slow metabolism down. I didn't ask what too little! Have slow metabolism (and also no gall bladder but less relevant).

Realise we are al unique but any thoughts welcome.

Thanks again for all your very helpful posts.

Off to eat chicken and vegetable sticks for supper!!!!
 
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Hi Dafodils. everyone is different. I think it depends on your size as well as gender and metabolism. I was a 20 stone man. I ate 60g of carbs and 900 calories a day for 3 months. I lost over 3 stone in that time. Your blood sugar levels don't sound too bad so don't panic:)
 
Hello, newly diagnosed month ago and been reading this site, so helpful, thanks all for sharing. When diagnosed hba1c 53. Have reduced carbs, taking 30 mins walk every day, and read and applying david Cavens book reverse your diabetes. Diabetic nurse not offering metre so bought my own and first test results are today: before breakfast 7.3, 2 hrs after breakfast 6.0, before lunch 5.9 and 2hrs later 6.3. Was expecting after breakfast to be higher than before so bit odd but overall, suggest impact of diet changes and exercise starting to come through? But am not loosing weight! Lost 5 pounds after diagnosis Initially but assuming that water due to reducing carbs quite substantially, and then only half a pound in last week. Reckon I am eating around 60 - 70 carbs, 1300 calories. Wondering if I should eat less calories overall, or even more?? Several stone to loose at least and diabetic nurse said eating too little would slow metabolism down. I didn't ask what too little was! Have polycistic ovaries which for me means slow metabolism (and also no gall bladder but less relevant).

Realise we are al unique but any thoughts welcome.

Thanks again for all your very helpful posts.

Off to eat chicken and vegetable sticks for supper!!!!

Hi Daffodils welcome to the forum, first I'm going to tag @daisy1 so that she can come along an give a long list of info that is given to all new members of which much will be helpful to you.
Neil
 
:)Hi, welcome to the forum :)

As regards calories...that's a tough one. I still haven't found the answer to that one. I found that I lost more weight on 1200 calories than on 600-800, so your diabetic nurse may well be right about metabolism. I slowed mine down through trying to diet too much in the past. I really am not sure how to advise you on this one. Some people say that calories are important. I'm soon going to be starting a new plan where I low carb but don't calorie count. It's been trial and error for me, I expect it will be for you too

I was going to tag daisy too, bit I see someone has already done it!:)
 
You could try to eat until you are full while doing LCHF.

It is normal to eat until you are full and LCHF tends to normalise all sorts of hormones, not only insulin but leptin and ghrelin and others too.
 
You could try to eat until you are full while doing LCHF.

It is normal to eat until you are full and LCHF tends to normalise all sorts of hormones, not only insulin but leptin and ghrelin and others too.
I think the lack of gallbladder rules out LCHF.
 
I have heard you can get enzymes to help with fat when you have no gall bladder, but I've no knowledge of this myself. Sorry. I do think cutting carbs is more important than cutting calories though.
 
@Daffodils1

Hello Daffodils1 and welcome to the forum :)

I am glad to see that you have already received some good advice, and no doubt there will be quite a bit more too. Here is the information we give to new members which I hope you will find helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello, newly diagnosed month ago and been reading this site, so helpful, thanks all for sharing. When diagnosed hba1c 53. Have reduced carbs, taking 30 mins walk every day, and read and applying david Cavens book reverse your diabetes. Diabetic nurse not offering metre so bought my own and first test results are today: before breakfast 7.3, 2 hrs after breakfast 6.0, before lunch 5.9 and 2hrs later 6.3. Was expecting after breakfast to be higher than before so bit odd but overall, suggest impact of diet changes and exercise starting to come through? But am not loosing weight! Lost 5 pounds after diagnosis Initially but assuming that water due to reducing carbs quite substantially, and then only half a pound in last week. Reckon I am eating around 60 - 70 carbs, 1300 calories. Wondering if I should eat less calories overall, or even more?? Several stone to loose at least and diabetic nurse said eating too little would slow metabolism down. I didn't ask what too little was! Have polycistic ovaries which for me means slow metabolism (and also no gall bladder but less relevant).

Realise we are al unique but any thoughts welcome.

Thanks again for all your very helpful posts.

Off to eat chicken and vegetable sticks for supper!!!!

Hi Daffodil, now that Daisy has arrived, just like to say that the LCHF for me has helped considerably, but I have plateaued for about 4 weeks now and have just started moving again. I do understand that the no Gall bladder means that you have to avoid or have very low fat I'm not sure whether you are given any medication which allows you to eat fat.

Anyway just to say, I have not measured anything. I do not know how many calories I am having, all I know I have cut the carbs considerably and have not increased the fats by very much. I am satisfied, I eat lots of veg & I do not feel hungry either, and since October I have lost over stone.

I do think you have to be patient if your not losing or gaining then it should not be difficult to experiment with the portion sizes and the carb quantity and see what happens.

Neil
 
Hi Dafodils. everyone is different. I think it depends on your size as well as gender and metabolism. I was a 20 stone man. I ate 60g of carbs and 900 calories a day for 3 months. I lost over 3 stone in that time. Your blood sugar levels don't sound too bad so don't panic:)
Hello and thanks. Congrats on your 3 stone. I think I'll aim to go a bit lower on both and see what happens.
 
:)Hi, welcome to the forum :)

As regards calories...that's a tough one. I still haven't found the answer to that one. I found that I lost more weight on 1200 calories than on 600-800, so your diabetic nurse may well be right about metabolism. I slowed mine down through trying to diet too much in the past. I really am not sure how to advise you on this one. Some people say that calories are important. I'm soon going to be starting a new plan where I low carb but don't calorie count. It's been trial and error for me, I expect it will be for you too

I was going to tag daisy too, bit I see someone has already done it!:)
Thanks so much. V interesting that you ate more and lost. Maybe I'll try just a bit lower on the calories and see what happens!
 
Yes you may need to keep changing things around as you go along. I did, and I still am! :)
 
Hi Daffodil, now that Daisy has arrived, just like to say that the LCHF for me has helped considerably, but I have plateaued for about 4 weeks now and have just started moving again. I do understand that the no Gall bladder means that you have to avoid or have very low fat I'm not sure whether you are given any medication which allows you to eat fat.

Anyway just to say, I have not measured anything. I do not know how many calories I am having, all I know I have cut the carbs considerably and have not increased the fats by very much. I am satisfied, I eat lots of veg & I do not feel hungry either, and since October I have lost over stone.

I do think you have to be patient if your not losing or gaining then it should not be difficult to experiment with the portion sizes and the carb quantity and see what happens.

Neil
Hi, thanks so much, very wise advice on the perseverance front. I can eat some fat so majoring on nuts, avocado. take supplements to stimulate bile but only eat v lean meat. Not measuring sounds good too. Congrats on losing a stone, that's great.
 
You could try to eat until you are full while doing LCHF.

It is normal to eat until you are full and LCHF tends to normalise all sorts of hormones, not only insulin but leptin and ghrelin and others too.
Hi and thanks. Eating nuts and definitely helping me feel full. Have to be pretty careful with animal fat.
 
@Daffodils1

Hello Daffodils1 and welcome to the forum :)

I am glad to see that you have already received some good advice, and no doubt there will be quite a bit more too. Here is the information we give to new members which I hope you will find helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Hello and thanks. Great forum.
 
Daffodil it could be that you are not eating enough or your thyroid is underactive. When I was younger, under Drs supervision, I went on a very low calorie diet, similar to the Newcastle diet, using diet drinks. In 2 months I managed to lose very little weight and made myself so ill that the Dr told me to come off the diet because my metabolism had slowed down so much that my body was shutting down. He sent me to a specialist who did blood tests etc and told me that I was one of the very few of his patients that he could honestly say would not lose weight easily if at all. This was, in part, due to my Thyroid which could not make up it's mind whether it was going to be over or under active. I was finally diagnosed as having an under active thyroid just over a year ago and put onto medication. I also started ignoring my DNs dietary advice and began low carbing and, since then, my weight has slowly but surely reduced - not as fast as some on here but for me it's an achievement!
 
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