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How tightly is glucoze controlled in non diabetic ?

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To date GP's with uncaring attitudes, whom think they are diabetic consultants.
Might sound a silly question, but I want to know, because my GP tells me that after eating a high carb meal everyones (diabetics and non diabetics) BG would go up over 7, but in non diabetics it would be below 7 within 2 hours.

Is this right? I hope so, because:

I thought that in non diabetics, insulin is fast acting thus ensuring BG never goes above 7, but GP assures me non diabetics would get high read an hour after eating but would be normal within 2 hours.

So confusing :(
 
Yes a non-diabetic can get a High BG, after eating/drinking a fast acting carbohydrate...

There was a big fuss back in march, where doctors were getting fed up with joe non-diabetic public buying meters testing and then legging it to the doctor because they were convinced that they were diabetic because of the reading off the meter with out understanding how and when to test properly.


And non-diabetics who are unwell can have raised BG's same as diabetics... But there's will return to normal...
 
How many non-diabetics has your doctor tested? Bernstein has tested many and he says that the normal range for non-diabetic is 80 -100. which translates to 4.4 - 5.5 and wider swings, although they may happen, are rare. On the whole, I'd believe Bernstein, because he actually tests people. I'm sure everybody doesn't go over 7.
I know he/she's a doctor and I'm a mere diabetic, but I'd like to see the evidence for this doctor's statement.
 
This post discusses continuous glucose monitoring of 32 non-diabetic people. It does show a wide range of BG levels.

Regards, Tubs.
 
tubolard said:
This post discusses continuous glucose monitoring of 32 non-diabetic people. It does show a wide range of BG levels.

Regards, Tubs.
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Thank you very much for link
:)
 
Berstien is not the be all and end all in the diabetic world.... And as far as I can work out, his papers that he has written on diabetic care have all been surrounding his method of control!!!

The only difference about Berstien book than others is that Berstien TELLS, you what foods you can and can not eat, he only deals with controling these foods...

Other books, are properly a bit more comperhensive in some respects, as they deal with peoples precieved eating habbits, which include carbohydrates that have varible asorbtion times that can pose difficulties for the diabetic to maintain a stable BG level... Sadly Berstien doesn't cover these as it's outside his personally remitt of his choosen way of dealing with his own medical condition...

But the bases of the whole medical data contained in them is from the same sources of research ect over time, and not carried out by Bernstien personally... After all my humalog acts the same way rather I'm using Berstien, Walsh or any other authour who mention it in there book...
 
I'm pretty sure that Bernsteins research is perfectly valid - however, the point should be to never take ONE STORY as the whole truth.

My husband has been tested (by me *evil grin*) a few times and at one point (this was 90 minutes after eating 250 grammes of milk chocolate) his reading was 5 ... grrrrrrr ... if that was me my reading would be in the high teens or twenties - not that Iplan on putting it to the test.

As far as I understand physiology (which is by no means well educated) EVERYONE's body reacts to intake of carbohydrates and has a raise blood sugar (dependant on quantity and type and the foods glycaemic load) BUT non-diabetics blood sugar WILL return to under 7 within "about" 2 hours as their body has the level of insulin (and is NOT resistant to it) to control the blood sugar levels.

Hope that makes sense :)

J/x
 
Even your post Tubs, says that they were between 70 and 140 for 93 percent of the time. that doesn't leave much time for "everybody" to go over 7. ( 126) whenever they eat.
Also I quote Bernstein because he supports his statements with evidence. the main bit being his large number of patients over a long period of time, who remain in good health. and his own continued good health after a lifetime of T1. Is there anyone who is writing stuff contrary to Bernstein, who has credentials like that? If there is, I'll read it.
In addition, what Bernstein writes makes sense. I know it's too tough for some people to follow, but I've never heard of anyone harmed by following his teaching and I have heard of many whose health has improved considerably when they've gone over to his way.
Bernstein believes that diabetics have a right to Normal blood sugars, not just the high numbers, and their consequences, accepted as "good enough" by so many Healthcare professionals. for me personally, "good enough" isn't good enough.
 
I agree with Jem. Any researcher cannot be expected to rely on research from just one source. On the other hand, one would not expect a Marxist to start quoting from Adam Smith, unless of course it were to reinforce their view of the world.

Not that I'm calling anyone on this forum a political extremist, Oh God, there I go again, I've put my foot in it again, not just once, but twice. Before I go on, I must point out that my political and religious opinions are my own and do not represent the views of anyone else on this board :)

It is only with discussion that we can reach consensus - hopefully.

Regards, Tubs.
 
Come on Totsy its a bit of light hearted banter, I think Tubs would look at it that way to :D

totsy said:
Lets please keep personal comments to ourselves :)
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My DSN told me that even non-diabetics can have readings over 7 after eating. My daughter 23 yrs ate 150g cadbury milk chocolate (lucky swine). I tested her before she ate it 4.1 and tested 1hr after 4.2 and 2hrs after 4.2. My god, is this a body working to perfection or not!!!! I was positively green with envy. We don't appreciate how marvelous our bodies really are until something goes wrong with it! Could those higher readings in "non-diabetics" indicate that they may develop diabetes at some later stage. I wonder how many of those with higher readings went on to develop diabetes?

Caitycakes x
 
Jem said:
I'm pretty sure that Bernsteins research is perfectly valid - however, the point should be to never take ONE STORY as the whole truth.

My husband has been tested (by me *evil grin*) a few times and at one point (this was 90 minutes after eating 250 grammes of milk chocolate) his reading was 5 ... grrrrrrr ... if that was me my reading would be in the high teens or twenties - not that Iplan on putting it to the test.

As far as I understand physiology (which is by no means well educated) EVERYONE's body reacts to intake of carbohydrates and has a raise blood sugar (dependant on quantity and type and the foods glycaemic load) BUT non-diabetics blood sugar WILL return to under 7 within "about" 2 hours as their body has the level of insulin (and is NOT resistant to it) to control the blood sugar levels.

Hope that makes sense :)

J/x
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Thanks for that, my wife will be eating some chocolate tonight!! :lol:
 
it's sickening isn't it!?

I mean those lovely souls with whom we live who can guzzle bars and bars of choccy and yet we just sniff one and WHAM up by by 11.0 lol ...

ah to be 23 again!!!!!

hehehehehe ... mind you, I can hardly say my body was perfection at 23, more's the pity :)

@ Tubs & Robski - I understood you BOTH to be having light hearted banter ...and I'm pretty sure that Totsy (note the smiley) was merely joining in the same manner :)

keep grinning ... and remember that bitter chocolate is full of antoxidants ... or something HAHAHAH

xxx
 
jopar said:
Yes a non-diabetic can get a High BG, after eating/drinking a fast acting carbohydrate...

There was a big fuss back in march, where doctors were getting fed up with joe non-diabetic public buying meters testing and then legging it to the doctor because they were convinced that they were diabetic because of the reading off the meter with out understanding how and when to test properly.


And non-diabetics who are unwell can have raised BG's same as diabetics... But there's will return to normal...
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Yes, let's stop all those pesky prediabetics doing anything about it until they have crossed the threshold into irreversible territory

<snort>

FWIW I know several people who have tested truly nondiabetic spouses, friends etc. and found the same as what people here are reporting, their BG seldom shifts whatever they eat.

Then I've seen several papers where different BG curves are referenced. I suspect some of the "normal" curves are actually prediabetic.

It all comes down to where exactly you draw the line on a continuum

http://www.bloodsugar101.com/
 
the trouble with light-hearted banter between 2 friends on a public forum is that not all of the public know it IS light-hearted banter. :(
I know from bitter experience that if you timid and scared light-hearted banter MAY scare you even more, and you won't dare to poke you head above the parapet. I say MAY because it depends on how you post - sometimes it's easy to see straight away that it's a humorous post. But sometimes not. :?
On a bad day I read things as being grumpy and said in the way my OH shouts at other road users :lol:
If I read the post on another day, I'll enjoy the humour as soon as I read it 8)
 
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