Although I am no longer on medication as my Hb1ac has dropped to 5.7 (see my previous post) I get very annoyed when I see articles that state T2 is mainly due to obesity. Although I was never skinny, I am not, & have never been, obese. There must be other reasons people develope this condition.
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I am not Obese
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sugarless sue
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Have a good read round the 'Soapbox' you will find many who agree with you !
Patch
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Re: I am not Obese.
I agree. But I don't like the way people are so keen to point out that they are not obese around here.
I'm sure those people that are obese take great offence to it. Let's consider their feelings, eh?
The thing that made those people diabetic in the first place almost certainly contributed to their weight gain. Don't foget how many massively overweight people are NOT diabetic.
My BMI is 30.27. So I'm obese. I'm 6'2", and 236lbs (If I lose 2lbs, I'll be ONLY be overweight. There's something to look forward to! :roll: ). I don't look like the kind of person that you are taking offense to being compared to.
Are you offended by the word obese, or the image that it pulls up in your mind?
These threads really get to me - what I read is "I don't deserve to have diabetes, but obese people DO". Sorry if that's not how you feel, but that's what it comes across like.
I agree. But I don't like the way people are so keen to point out that they are not obese around here.
I'm sure those people that are obese take great offence to it. Let's consider their feelings, eh?
The thing that made those people diabetic in the first place almost certainly contributed to their weight gain. Don't foget how many massively overweight people are NOT diabetic.
My BMI is 30.27. So I'm obese. I'm 6'2", and 236lbs (If I lose 2lbs, I'll be ONLY be overweight. There's something to look forward to! :roll: ). I don't look like the kind of person that you are taking offense to being compared to.
Are you offended by the word obese, or the image that it pulls up in your mind?
These threads really get to me - what I read is "I don't deserve to have diabetes, but obese people DO". Sorry if that's not how you feel, but that's what it comes across like.
Patch said:
I don't..
Not everyone is the same..
I wouldn't look at someone who is clearly overweight and think it's due to laziness.
I think having diabetes has definately taught me that you really can't judge a book by its cover.
Like 'invisible' diseases and conditions that you can see, diabetes, fibromyalgia etc.
There could be a very good reason why that person is overweight or obese.
but then again it could be down to bad eating and not exercising.
You don't know unless you KNOW that person and nobody has the right to judge.
Patch
Well-Known Member
Yup.
I often look at overweight people and wonder if they are diabetic (and if they're not, why am I?). I also wonder why people that I know that are much larger than me DON'T have diabetes.
One reason I've found is that some of those overweight friends have never tried to lose weight. Does dieting cause diabetes? I'd argue that eating a high carb, low fat diet for weight loss DOES. There's recent evidence to back this up (don't ask me to cite it - Google is your friend!)
Moral of the story - if you're overweight, DON'T go on a low carb, low fat diet for weight loss. You might well end up with diabetes. :twisted:
I often look at overweight people and wonder if they are diabetic (and if they're not, why am I?). I also wonder why people that I know that are much larger than me DON'T have diabetes.
One reason I've found is that some of those overweight friends have never tried to lose weight. Does dieting cause diabetes? I'd argue that eating a high carb, low fat diet for weight loss DOES. There's recent evidence to back this up (don't ask me to cite it - Google is your friend!)
Moral of the story - if you're overweight, DON'T go on a low carb, low fat diet for weight loss. You might well end up with diabetes. :twisted:
I think this word has been redefined over the years, it seems that we no longer have fat people or people who are a few pounds over weight, we are now OBESE, as we no longer have skinny people , they are now labelled ANOREXIC, have any of you never noticed on the forms in hospital, they don't have a box. ''few pounds over weight, or few pounds underweight'', as in beauty, surely its in the eye of the beholder,yes I'm a few pounds over , but labelled obese, and yet still very active, just finishing building an exstention, climbing up and down the roof ok, and the ladders not bending :lol: I think it really don't matter as long as you are reasonably healthy, and HAPPY 
, thats all that matters
, thats all that matters
phoenix
Expert
Sixty years ago RD Lawrence (an eminent British diabetologist) described 3 types of diabetes, the first was classic 'juvenile diabetes' as it was called then. The second he associated with obesity and overfeeding,the third he categorised by describing a patient who had absolutely no fat, yet was extremely insulin resistant so needed between 1600 and 2000 units of insulin a day, without that she developed ketosis and lost even more fat.
SInce then knowledge has grown, we know that there are thin people with insulin resistance and obese people with insulin resistance (and every body type in between) . We know that there are people with autoimmune antibodies who experience beta cell destruction, hence type 1 diabetes yet people with the same antibodies without diabetes. There are also people with no evidence of autoimmune antibodies who develop insulin deficiency.
Yet we still put people into a limited number of boxes.
I have a variety of T1, developed at an older age, I don't think it is exactly similar to the type developed as a child.(for one thing I had a mature metabolic system long before I acquired it) and I know it seems somewhat easier to control.
The more I read. the more I think that there are a considerable number of varieties of diabetes, certainly more than 2 main (plus the others caused by specific genes or damage to the pancreas already recognised) We share a common symptom of hyperglycemia but the causes and best treatments are varied.
On some diabetes forums there is the acronym ydmv (your diabetes may vary).
SInce then knowledge has grown, we know that there are thin people with insulin resistance and obese people with insulin resistance (and every body type in between) . We know that there are people with autoimmune antibodies who experience beta cell destruction, hence type 1 diabetes yet people with the same antibodies without diabetes. There are also people with no evidence of autoimmune antibodies who develop insulin deficiency.
Yet we still put people into a limited number of boxes.
I have a variety of T1, developed at an older age, I don't think it is exactly similar to the type developed as a child.(for one thing I had a mature metabolic system long before I acquired it) and I know it seems somewhat easier to control.
The more I read. the more I think that there are a considerable number of varieties of diabetes, certainly more than 2 main (plus the others caused by specific genes or damage to the pancreas already recognised) We share a common symptom of hyperglycemia but the causes and best treatments are varied.
On some diabetes forums there is the acronym ydmv (your diabetes may vary).
well according to 'Boots' i'm well obese! went on their machine, but it acused me of being 5'8'' so rushed home got tape measure out, incase I had shrunk, to my relief I'm taller.
though can still do with losing weight
so up yours boots
(there are of course many reasons why people put on weight, and often its medical)
though can still do with losing weight
so up yours boots
(there are of course many reasons why people put on weight, and often its medical)
ydmv! So true!
I'm recently diagnosed Type 2 but I've been told over the past few months that I don't fit criteria (34, normal weight, healthy diet/exercise, good cholestral/BMI etc etc) It came on quite quickly too. Glucose Intolerant in Dec and two weeks ago Diabetic...
I'm awaiting further testing including genetic tests and the acronym MODY has been mentioned.
Both my parents have Type 2 (are asian, in their 50s, overweight and on meds) but none of their parents had it...all a bit of a mystery.
I'm recently diagnosed Type 2 but I've been told over the past few months that I don't fit criteria (34, normal weight, healthy diet/exercise, good cholestral/BMI etc etc) It came on quite quickly too. Glucose Intolerant in Dec and two weeks ago Diabetic...
I'm awaiting further testing including genetic tests and the acronym MODY has been mentioned.
Both my parents have Type 2 (are asian, in their 50s, overweight and on meds) but none of their parents had it...all a bit of a mystery.
Hi sanober
welcome to the club.
Have you read the info for newly diagnosed diabetics that Sue and cugila have put together.
Because for many people with diabetes what the world considers a healthy diet actually isn't. And many of us here have followed the healthy diet advice of our health care profesional only to find it made our diabetes worse.
The thing, as you are discoverng with diabetes, is that everybody is different and our bodies react differently to food. You will need to look at your diet and test test test your blood to find out what suits your individual body.
Anniexx
welcome to the club.
Have you read the info for newly diagnosed diabetics that Sue and cugila have put together.
Because for many people with diabetes what the world considers a healthy diet actually isn't. And many of us here have followed the healthy diet advice of our health care profesional only to find it made our diabetes worse.
The thing, as you are discoverng with diabetes, is that everybody is different and our bodies react differently to food. You will need to look at your diet and test test test your blood to find out what suits your individual body.
Anniexx
Hi Linda
It's another stupid label that will enable the goverment to drop any one off the NHS .As we are starting to get advised to get medical insurance our nhs will eventually be sold to the highest bidder privetised Just like the usa . Our goverment is turning on its own people to remedy there poor state of running the country . Who can say who is obese theres no two people the same .The reality is if we had'nt of been introduced to processed food source. We would have all been a lot healthier .Geneticly modified foods are'nt proper foods . The UK used to be a proud race of people .They would pull together in time of need . 60% of people in the uk don't even speak with there neighbours. Lables were all just labels .
Hope you enjoyed my rant :lol: :lol:
JF.
It's another stupid label that will enable the goverment to drop any one off the NHS .As we are starting to get advised to get medical insurance our nhs will eventually be sold to the highest bidder privetised Just like the usa . Our goverment is turning on its own people to remedy there poor state of running the country . Who can say who is obese theres no two people the same .The reality is if we had'nt of been introduced to processed food source. We would have all been a lot healthier .Geneticly modified foods are'nt proper foods . The UK used to be a proud race of people .They would pull together in time of need . 60% of people in the uk don't even speak with there neighbours. Lables were all just labels .
Hope you enjoyed my rant :lol: :lol:
JF.
Thanks Annie and Daisy1
I did wonder about carb intake, as I'm so fixated on avoiding sugar I know that I do eat carbs but then I do excercise - so I need to know how much to eat and what to avoid - and so far no medical professional has mentioned how to deal with 'Hypos' - I'm convinced I do get this during excercise now and again. I've got a follow up appointment with my nurse tomorrow. So I will have some answers.
I did wonder about carb intake, as I'm so fixated on avoiding sugar I know that I do eat carbs but then I do excercise - so I need to know how much to eat and what to avoid - and so far no medical professional has mentioned how to deal with 'Hypos' - I'm convinced I do get this during excercise now and again. I've got a follow up appointment with my nurse tomorrow. So I will have some answers.
