I did wonder where my T2 came from....

[hankjam]

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[ellagy]

Oh Goodie!!!

 

[SWUSA_]

Thanks, I have held out on taking statins for a long time. My uncle who was six years older than me-died of a second heart attack after starting statins and recommended heart diet three years ago. He had all the genetic defects that I do but was much more symptomatic.

 

[Inchindown]

I was put on statins a few years ago after being diagnosed with a heart attack.

As to whether they caused my T2, I think the thousands of surplus calories I consumed every day for half a lifetime are more likely to be the principal cause.

 

[Freema]

my doctor got angry when I didn´t want to take statins... thank God I did half my cholesterol in only 3 months ... so I didn´t have to discuss that every time going there... I think she still is a bit angry with me , but all my numbers tell her another story...

 

[Tabbyjoolz]

I refused point blank to take statins as my cholesterol was only slightly raised. When my latest Hba1c came in the doc (who has been very sympathetic and encouraging about my trying LCHF) was still banging on about statins. I asked how my latest cholesterol figures compared with the first lot. Turned out that had gone down slightly since the first figures and I reasoned that I was right in turning down statins again. He couldn't argue with that.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

Doctors whinging because you don't take statins?

What I find appalling about this whole issue is that Professor Rory Collins regularly tells the press that we, the general public, are telling porkies when we describe our muscle pain and other side effects. He's still trying, after 2 years, to get the BMJ to retract some articles about statin side effects. He even accused the committee on publication ethics (COPE) of not investigating the issue when they clearly did, they just disagreed with him. The whole thing is a bl00dy disgrace especially when you learn that 8 out of the 12 people on the NICE committee recommending lower levels of cholesterol all have connections with big pharmaceutical companies.

In 1997 guideline suggested that my total cholesterol should be below 7 and over the years that's come down bit by bit to below 4.

 

[ickihun]

I don't take statins as I've always had cholesterol at 3.9-4.2and happy with its breakdown.
However I'm still facing examinations/scans for heart disease due to Acute high blood pressure and diabetes. Specialist didn't mention cholesterol level neither did gp on stopping a NSAID Naproxen at appointment after cardic unit discharge to outpatients.
High cholesterol isn't the only risk factor for heart disease. Just one!

 

[Brunneria]

Wow. The figure quoted in the link is 100,000 diabetics due to statin use (presumably in the US).

Elsewhere I have seen a figure of 2% of statin users going on to develop T2.

Scary numbers.

 

[ickihun]

Wow. The figure quoted in the link is 100,000 diabetics due to statin use (presumably in the US).

Elsewhere I have seen a figure of 2% of statin users going on to develop T2.

Scary numbers.

It just proves if you can do it yourself, the natural way. (Walking and healthy living)
No need for a statin.
I've seen an odd person how has hereditary high cholesterol who is of high risk of heart attacks and stroke who might still need medical intervention.
But definitely not everyone needs medication.

 

[Inchindown]

I think some of us, myself included, should be careful about blaming statins for our diabetes.

Even if there is some effect , in my case at least, the 1000S of surplus calories I've eaten every day for the last 40 plus years, excess weight and lack of exercise are much more likely to be the cause of my diabetes.

It's nice to have a scapegoat, but we must be realistic.

 

[JohnEGreen]

Abot 40 years ago while still in the RAF as I had close relatives who had had heart attacks was tested for lipids and result was diagnosis of Hyperlipidemia I was given a diet sheet a bit of advice but no pills after 12 months following the diet sheet levels were reduced to normal.

So if you could do it with a change of diet then why are they so keen to foist Statins on every one now.

 

[MikeTurin]

It's nice to have a scapegoat, but we must be realistic.

But the scapegoat is not the overeating, because there are a lot of people that are obese and don't have diabetes. There are also people that get diabetes and aren't obese.
Not only Type 1 but Type 2 too.

 

[Inchindown]

But the scapegoat is not the overeating, because there are a lot of people that are obese and don't have diabetes. There are also people that get diabetes and aren't obese.
Not only Type 1 but Type 2 too.

That seems a bit like saying you can't blame smoking for lung cancer because lots of people who smoke don't get lung cancer. Or that lots of people who don't smoke get lung cancer.

It just proves if you can do it yourself, the natural way. (Walking and healthy living)
No need for a statin.
I've seen an odd person how has hereditary high cholesterol who is of high risk of heart attacks and stroke who might still need medical intervention.
But definitely not everyone needs medication.

 

[andcol]

That seems a bit like saying you can't blame smoking for lung cancer because lots of people who smoke don't get lung cancer. Or that lots of people who don't smoke get lung cancer.

Seeing as type 2 has many hereditary links I think we can say it is in the genes that cause the issue. I am not sure this statement actually adds to the conversation other than poking an stick at the OP to get a reaction. Please make sure comments are positive and provide a balance either way. What you are asking is the causal link. There is a lot of scientific evidence for links between statins and higher levels of T2. Is it causal or is there something more complex going on (I expect so).

 

[Daphne917]

I have a family history of diabetes with my maternal g/father, mother and younger brother all having it so there is a heritary factor to mine but my hba1c increased from 48 to 54 when I was on statins. I mentioned to my DN that I'd read there was a correlation between statins and Type 2 diabetes and was told not to believe everything I read in the Daily Mail - her face was a picture when I told her it was from the drug company's own website!!

 

[Granny_grump_]

My doctor is also recommending I take statins but not pushing it has I had very bad leg cramps last time I took them,but I am concerned has since September 2016 I again started the LCHF diet and my cholesterol has gone up from 5 to 6.6. I am eating all right foods but cannot find a level of fats that's right for me and doctor was unhelpful,I eat low carbs and intermittent fasting to keep my sugar levels within limits not had this problem for around 7 years is it the fact I now eat high fats that's causing the raised cholesterol,can anyone help with any answers to this.

 

[Tophat1900]

Abot 40 years ago while still in the RAF as I had close relatives who had had heart attacks was tested for lipids and result was diagnosis of Hyperlipidemia I was given a diet sheet a bit of advice but no pills after 12 months following the diet sheet levels were reduced to normal.

So if you could do it with a change of diet then why are they so keen to foist Statins on every one now.

I'd suspect that following a diet doesn't put coin in the pockets of statin producing drug companies.

And why not follow a diet that lowers levels?

 

[BrianTheElder]

I would like to point out that the only valid claim that the statin manufacturers have provided evidence for is that statins improve the mortality of people who have had a heart attack.
For that reason, doctors feel it appropriate to prescribe statins in those cases.
Unfortunately, even then, there is no great increase in life span and you have to subtract the side effects (including the possible development of type 2)

 

[Tophat1900]

my doctor got angry when I didn´t want to take statins... thank good I did half my cholesterol in only 3 months ... so I didn´t have to discuss that every time going there... I think she still is a bit angry with me , but all my numbers tell her another story...

The numbers don't lie.... solid evidence trumps opinion any day.

Your post reminded me of a specialist visit where the specialist wrote my GP telling him how bad my blood glucose control was. I know this because my GP read the letter to me. Everything he said about it and my unwillingness to take insulin was nothing but opinion with no evidence to support it.

Specialist never looked up my numbers, this was just written to my GP straight off the top of his head....lol

My a1c is 5.9.... I wouldn't call that bad control. for someone following diet and exercise only. Makes you wonder how they reach some conclusions sometimes. I would of thought a conclusion/diagnosis would be reached after you have reviewed the evidence.

Congrats on lowering your cholesterol