I know I need low carbs but what about fat?

[Pinkorchid]

• Avoiding all foods with added sugar or honey such as desserts, candies, and pastries; all foods made from grains and grain flours such as breads, cereals, pasta, and rice; all starchy vegetables such as potatoes, corn, carrots, peas, tomatoes, and beans; all fresh or preserved fruits and fruit juices; all dairy products except for butter, cream, and fermented cheeses, as well as full fat yogurt(for dairy products the more the fat content the less carbohydrate content)

Doesn't leave a lot to eat does it if you followed it religiously basically just meat, fish, green leafy veg and a bit of dairy. I could not do without tomatoes carrots, peas beans and just have greens, I do not like much meat so vegetables are a big part of a meal for me and I do need to have some bread sometimes

 

[ringi]

Cherry toms are 2g carbs per 80g.
Toms are 3g carbs per 80g.

According to my Carbs & Cals book.

They are both OK for me. Cherry toms most days for lunch (6 or 7 of them)
It's tinned toms that raise me.

Tomatoes get more sugar as they get riper. From what I recall tinned tomatoes have a lot higher GI as the carbs get digested quicker. I expect that cherry tomatoes have high GI than normal tomatoes but about the same total carbs.

Remember that a high GI requires our body to remove the glucose faster from our blood even if the food has the same total carbs. As our bodies are not good at quickly removing BG, higher GI foods can make us peak more even when the total carbs are the same.

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Doesn't leave a lot to eat does it basically just meat, fish, green leafy veg and a bit of dairy

I think there is quite a lot of variety within the list you have given.

You missed out eggs which are a great food for flexibility.

I wouldn't rule out tomatoes and some grain derviatives (well, whatever is in the Lidl rolls at about 9 grams of carbohydrate a pop).

There are more vegetables than just green leafy as well, Cauliflower for one. Onions for another.

Butter, cream and cheese have a multitude of delights.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Doesn't leave a lot to eat does it basically just meat, fish, green leafy veg and a bit of dairy

Maybe, but you can eat lots of the tasty stuff that the healthy food guide says you shouldn't eat much of (eggs, bacon, red meat, cheese, full fat dairy...).

 

[derry60]

Must admit I had one plum tomato and a little juice (Tinned) and took a BG test about an hour and a half later and I did not spike, or with fresh tomatoes but that is just me. 8 cherry tomatoes has 2.3 grams of sugar,I usually have around 4 cut in half on my salad

 

[ringi]

The spike from juice may come quicker and therefore be missed by our testing. But I can eat unlimited fresh tomatoes without issue, or half a tin (used to make a source).

 

[Robbity]

Doesn't leave a lot to eat does it if you followed it religiously basically just meat, fish, green leafy veg and a bit of dairy. I could not do without tomatoes carrots, peas beans and just have greens, I do not like much meat so vegetables are a big part of a meal for me and I do need to have some bread sometimes

And I would do without any or all of those foods if push came to shove....

As I've already pointed out Dr Bernstein's recommendations are for very strict ketogenic diet which is not exactly a "normal" LCHF one. Bernstein has helped many diabetics with his dietary treatment regime, and as a type 1 himself who originally suffered from some serious complications, I imagine that for him & other diabetics in similar situations giving up some of those foods to help remedy things is by far the lesser of two evils. Sometimes our health is more important than our dietary preferences, but as type 2s not all of us are unfortunate enough to be faced with this kind of choice.

Robbity

 

[Pinkorchid]

Maybe, but you can eat lots of the tasty stuff that the healthy food guide says you shouldn't eat much of (eggs, bacon, red meat, cheese, full fat dairy...).

Not all of us want to eat a lot of that. I am not a vegetarian but I do not like meat very much so I only really eat chicken ham salami and fish. If I want to make a chilli or cottage pie I use Quorn mince which is a good source of protein and I prefer the taste Our body does not actually need animal fat vegetarians and vegans would never survive if it did, My fats come from good oils olives nuts avocados and cheese.

 

[Eldra]

Adding butter to your veg can help with this likewise with olive oil based dressings on salads. There are also a lot of nice drips/sources you can make with double cream as a base. Grated cheese is also nice on veg.

Cheese contains proteins and I count for that as well (which has helped me a lot be more accurate). I do put olive oil a lot, especially for frying eggplant and for tomatoes and feta (yummy). I am from near the Mediterranean so I love olive oil anyway
I actually tried butter in my broccoli just yesterday. Great advice! Butter is really helpful, and I love it.
Thanks for the great advices.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Not all of us want to eat a lot of that. I am not a vegetarian but I do not like meat very much so I only really eat chicken ham salami and fish. If I want to make a chilli or cottage pie I use Quorn mince which is a good source of protein and I prefer the taste Our body does not actually need animal fat vegetarians and vegans would never survive if it did, My fats come from good oils olives nuts avocados and cheese.

Most people like that stuff, though. My aim eating this way is not just to survive, but to be very healthy (and it seems to be working). Nor is it to eat as pleasurably as possible (I used to do that and it was very detrimental to my health).

I mean no offense, but the thought of eating quorn turns my stomach ("Quorn is made from the soil mould Fusarium venenatum strain PTA-2684. The fungus is grown in continually oxygenated water in large, otherwise sterile fermentation tanks.") Nevertheless, if was actually healthier than meat, I might try it. However, I doubt that quorn is healthier than meat and probably not even close to being as healthy as meat, despite the manufacturer's claims. For sure it doesn't have all the B vitamins that humans need (while meat does): http://www.mycoprotein.org/assets/Nutritional_profile_of_Quorn.pdf

 

[Pinkorchid]

Most people like that stuff, though. My aim eating this way is not just to survive, but to be very healthy (and it seems to be working). Nor is it to eat as pleasurably as possible (I used to do that and it was very detrimental to my health).

I mean no offense, but the thought of eating quorn turns my stomach ("Quorn is made from the soil mould Fusarium venenatum strain PTA-2684. The fungus is grown in continually oxygenated water in large, otherwise sterile fermentation tanks.") Nevertheless, if was actually healthier than meat, I might try it. However, I doubt that quorn is healthier than meat and probably not even close to being as healthy as meat, despite the manufacturer's claims. For sure it doesn't have all the B vitamins that humans need (while meat does): http://www.mycoprotein.org/assets/Nutritional_profile_of_Quorn.pdf

I have Quorn as a change from chicken sometimes because I don't like the taste of red meat but I do like Chilli Con Carne and Shepherds pie so it works fine for me in those. I am not really worried how it is grown as it has been passed as safe to eat and a lot of vegetarians have it and we are not dead yet and I have been eating it a long time before I had diabetes Mushrooms are much the same as they are also grown artificially in dark caves