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martyK

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Hi,
I need help , I dont know what to do.
diagnosed 6 months ago with type2. (13%)
doc put me on meteaformin and after 3 months 11.5%

I was already seriously overweight , now I've put on a stone and half, I am trying to control my weight and follow any kind of diet (looking at gi) . I cant stop eating chocolate.

I am so depressed and my body is failing - I feel like I am running around like a headless chicken and am so out of control..

My familiy has all died (including my wife). I dont want to tell me friends - I have no one to talk to.
I feel like I am killing myself.

I have no will power, I hate exercise.

Help.
 
Welcome to the forum Marty. When you get that low there is only one way and that is UP!!
You will feel down just now after all you have been through but you will begin to see things differently in a while.
Have a read round the forum and see what you think. Can you help yourself? We are here to help and support all diabetics on this forum and many have felt like you and come out the other side. They will be here to offer advice.
As for the will power, take it a day at a time. Make one small change at a time. You can do it.
 
Hi martyK, welcome to the forums. Lots of great support here :) What a lot for you to deal with. I'm very sorry to hear about the death of your wife.

The good thing about diabetes is that you do get a bit of a run up to complications and that improving your diet can sometimes very quickly reverse some of them :) However, I think that your feelings of depression should be your priority, when you feel that low you can't really deal with anything else :?

Have you spoken to your GP about how you feel? Have you had any kind of emotional support to deal with your bereavement?

You sound really low and I wonder if talking to someone on the phone right now might help over the weekend. I would suggest making contact with the Samaritans on 08457 90 90 90, they are there 24 hours a day. http://www.samaritans.org/

Talking to someone might help you sort out what you can do to help yourself. I would suggest that you make contact with your GP on Monday morning and get an urgent appointment. There may be something your GP can do to help you through this difficult time. Also, if you follow a particular religious faith, could your minister offer you support?

You could also take a look at Cruse Bereavement Care, they can help you find a local breavement support group in your area. The number is 0844 477 9400, but I'm not clear about the opening hours. http://www.crusebereavementcare.org.uk/

There is a lot of support on this website, I hope you start to feel a bit better about yourself and find some hope for the future very soon. Let us know how you get on :)
 
hello spiral,
thank you for your words (at least they werent meaningless platitudes)
I cant talk to anyone - its not in me to to do that - I have always been a very private person - i just cant (which is strange as I am now talking in this post )
I normally wallow in the problem then push it down inside and wait for the next day without having solved the underlying problem.

Maybe my expectation of this forum was wrong.Rather than be told to scan the forum , which is now quite a large site I was hoping (perhaps unrealistically) for something like
ok you are now a diabetic
step1 - change your diet - here is the forum post that tells you th best diet and here is a post explainig the alternatvives.
step2 -- do this , here is the post link
step3 -- do that , here is the post link

I was hoping there would have been a "new diabetic" post containing all this stuff.

You are right - I am depressed , I have been for 3 or 4 years now - I wont take antidepressants as I dont want to affect my mind (I need every brain cell firing at optimal) and I cant talk to anyone so I have no expectation of breaking the depression , yet I have other problems I need to solve in the meantime.

thats why I was hoping this forum would help.
thanks again spiral for your post I appreciate it

Marty
 
Its never easy losing a loved one :( The first thing you need to do is sort your head out as diets and changing your lifestyle are hard things to do and even harder when you are depressed and low after a bereavement. I'd speak to your doctor again and explain everything(you need to tell them the truth about your comfort eating) and get him to refer you for counselling, maybe even Anti depressants if needed. Its essential to your long term well being that you get your diabetes under control running your sugar levels for a long period of time can cause serious complications, but in order to do that you really need some support on mental side and you need it asap!
 
martyK, when I was a newly diagnosed diabetic I realised I had to educate myself. I wanted answers and the more digging around the less I felt I knew as so much of the information was conflicting. You need to do this too, there isn't a one size fits all diet, we are all different.

I have just posted my success story in the low carb forum, this is a link to it viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3763&start=255

However, you do need to look around here. Whatever you do, dietwise, it has to work for you. We have different diabetic bodies and we respond differently to the food we eat. What works for me might not work for you.

As a diabetic you need to lower your blood glucose and you need to be able to stick to the diet for the rest of your life, which is how long you will be diabetic. However, you gave no chance of sticking to a diet that meets your needs if you don't enjoy it.

I found http://www.bloodsugar101.com about the most useful site for my diabetic education before I found the support here. However, it needs a lot of work from you as it is an American website and they measure different figures over there - you take the American figure, divide it by 1.12 and then that answer by 18 to get a number you would see on your UK meter. The information on the site is very good, it is well researched and well written.

From what you say, you are comfort eating. You won't know what is working for you if you your progress is undermined by overeating. It makes sense to educate yourself while you look for a diet that will work for you and aim to make smaller stepwise changes rather than major changes all at once - especially if your blood glucose is running high. A reduction in your blood sugar may help your mood - I have more energy and am not so lethargic as I was when my numbers were higher.

That said, there are members on this forum who have eating disorders and sometimes binge eat or overeat and they have managed to lower their blood glucose :) Many of us have complicated relatonships with food. Any reduction in your numbers is good, however, if you are strugging with a lot of emotional pain and overeating is your comfort, you need to address that to really succeed.

There is a lot of help that does not involve medication. Physical activity helps depression and will have a beneficial long term impact on your blood glucose if you do it regualrly. Sometimes a short course of medication can lift your mood long enough for you to begin working on a way out.

If you can't talk face to face, an anonymous telephone helpline can help a lot. You have said that you have found that you have "talked" here - there are forums for supporing people with depression and breavement, maybe that could work for you?

As FordPrefect says, these changes are much harder if you have not sorted your head out. I think some emotional support should go hand in hand with looking at your diabetes. When you feel hopeless and "whats the point" you don't often have the motivation to stick to the changes you need to make. I hope you find the help you need :)
 
Maybe my expectation of this forum was wrong.Rather than be told to scan the forum , which is now quite a large site I was hoping (perhaps unrealistically) for something like
ok you are now a diabetic
step1 - change your diet - here is the forum post that tells you th best diet and here is a post explainig the alternatvives.
step2 -- do this , here is the post link
step3 -- do that , here is the post link

I was hoping there would have been a "new diabetic" post containing all this stuff

Martyk.

This forum has never been a site where we say do this, do that etc. It's a self help site. There are many books out there which you can choose from and follow religiously like some on here do. I'm no evangalist and I do what I find works for me, not slavishly follow some doctrine.

We help you to understand things better and you help yourself by putting things into practice. There are many good people on here who offer advice freely and at considerable cost to themselves in many ways. Not sure either where the 'meaningless platitudes' comes from....?? No one on this site has offered that.

As regards your diet there is no best diet, and yes there are many alternatives. It is something only you can find with the advice you are given. My diet probably wouldn't work for you, but it works well for me. At some point on here I may even tell you what it is I do ?

This is a welcome to you to the forum. A sharing of some of your grief, again that is what we are good at - support. It can and will get better, just give it time. I do know much about grief, depression and many other things through my own experience. So I do know what you are going through.
 
Sprial
I do want to educate myself but how can I pick the good ideas out from the bad. I'm sure when I have more experiance I will be able to but as a newbie
I think that will be a problem.
Of course you are right , people are different but diets cant be THAT different surely? if a gi diet works for one person then why wont it work for us all?

Theres so many questions running in my mind its hard to event know where to start.For Exdamlpe:

How do I lower my blood suger - I guess it depends on what I eat - so is there a list of low blood sugar foods? , a list of bad foods?
Does this mean I need to actualy measure my blood sugar?
if so I need a meter, what is a good one? Can I get it on the nhs? What About the strips?

what levels of blood sugar is acceptable (target value) ?
how long before and after a meal must I check my bs?

My doctor says dont bother measuring , just take my metaformin and cut down - is he correct?
In my area I dont get a meter or a chat with a dietician or anything like that - just the GP.

How do I stop eating chocolate?
If I change to a lowcard diet how do I force myself to stop eating the stuff I really like , such as bread and rice?

what about pepsi max and diet coke? are they still ok?

what about exercise - I detest exercise of any kind - is there a "trick" to force myself to do it?
How much do I need to do?

And this is just the start of my "Journey"! - sigh - when will they have a cure?


thank you for the links you gave me, especialy bloodsugar 101 - I take you point about sorting out my emotional state. Antidepressants slow your brain down dont they.
I am a computer guy , thats the last thing I want to do (as well as me having a fear of becomming addiciated to the stuff)

I am also a northerner and was brought in the manner of "a man is not a man if he shows emtion" - which I now know is tosh , but I am still effected by that.
I just cant see my talking through my issues and gaining any benefit.

I think my head will be F^&*^*ed for a while yet - sigh!


cuglia
you are absolutely correct platitude was perhaps the wrong word.
I am hypersensitive at the moment and while I am sure it was well intentioned to be told that "there is only one way and that is UP!!"
was er too general to be helpful, as was "As for the will power, take it a day at a time".
Dont get me wrong I am gratefull that people bother to reply in the firts place - I am well aware how voluntary contributing to the forum is
and I meant no offense really.

Is there any specific techniques for incereasing willpower though?

hey at least I havent been told that "time will heal" yet <G> - its been a few years since I lost my parents and time hasnt even dulled the pain.
Maybe thats what I actually like to do , wallow in greief and self pity, because of course no one else has ever lost a loved one have they <G>

I am greatfull for any and all feedback
Even now there is a part of me saying that i am a whimp for talking about this stuff - I guess you cant escape your upbringing.

thanks
MartyK
 
Martyk.

No one is calling you a wimp for talking about things which, as you rightly say, some people would call unmanly ? That is their problem.

Those people have no idea of the pain and hurt that can come about because of grief, loss of loved ones. They are the losers in this life. They have obviously never loved, never cared, never sat there with a dying friend or relative, or even a total stranger at the roadside, feeling powerless to do anything. Knowing that death is just moments away. Holding the hand of a stranger, someone who just want's you to tell Mom and Dad I love them.... then watching the spark go from their eyes, the grip slacken, the warmth diminish........ :( Try and keep a dry eye then, I dare you.

I would seriously suggest you need to get some counselling at the very least. There are some excellent ones that you can be referred to by your GP. Some years ago I lost 13 of my close family within the same number of months. Mother,Father elder brother etc etc... I was working at the time in a highly stressful job, dealing with death and serious injury on a daily basis. I cracked up, as they say. The reason - I didn't deal with the issues that I had going on at the time. The anger, the thoughts, the emotions, the memories. That appears to be where you are now. You have to deal with it and hitting out at others who are genuinely trying to offer you help is not good. They can be hurt too you know ? Try to listen more, think about things. Then you can respond. A knee jerk reaction to things that are said is counter productive and will help no one, least of all you. You are hurting I can see. Don't hurt others in response. I had many sessions of Bereavement and other counselling with an excellent lady practitioner. I have an awful lot to thank her for. She made me see life and events differently and totally turned my life around from the pit of despair to what I am today, outgoing and full of the joys of life. It is there to be lived Marty despite what you may be thinking now.

Now, back to your Diabetes.
Spiral will answer you in her own good time I am sure but meanwhile, I will as well answer some of your points.

You are new to all this and as stated before we don't tell you what to do, we advise. OK, so I will advise you to try a low GL diet with a reduction of all Carbohydrates. Get yourself some books from W H Smith. these are the ones I use, Collins Gem Pocket Book Series...GL, GI,Calorie Counter, Carb Counter that's around £16 worth so far. I also use other books but those will get you going and help you understand more. Now if that diet doesn't work for you then you haven't lost too much but it could affect your health. Oh, yes and don't blame me if it is no good for you. It works for me.
I have lost nearly 4 stone since January doing this method and some exercise, nothing too strenuous. Walking and resistance exercises. As Spiral would say - simples. :D

This is also the point where you need to get yourself a meter and test strips. You may be able to get one issued free from your Dr, I bought mine and have since had free ones from drugs companies. This site has some on offer in a 'competition. However, you need one now. So just buy it from your Chemist. Then you have to test on waking (fasting), before meals, 1 and 2 hrs after meals. With some foods you may also need to test after 3 hrs as the Glycaemic effect takes longer to get through your system. A test before bedtime is also helpful. at the same time as this you need to keep a food diary which shows all you have eaten with carb content etc and when. Using this and your test record you can then clearly see what certain foods do to your Bg levels. Then you can either avoid them or cut down portion sizes to negate the bad effect.

Lowering your Blood Glucose levels is done with a combination of things. Diet, Exercise, lowering stress levels etc. Everybody is an individual and it all has to fit in with your own lifestyle, likes and dislikes. That is another reason why there is no 'one way.' I know plenty of Diabetic's and we all argue about what is best practice !! What actually works. BTW, Dr's/Nurses don't know it all and can very often give out incorrect or misguided information. We all do our own research here and NEVER take what they say as 'gospel.' Check here as well, then make your own mind up.

NICE 2009 guidelines for a T2 are as follows. Target levels.
Fasting (waking)..............between 4 - 7 mmol/l.
2 hrs after meals.............no more than 8.5 mmol/l.
If you can get the post meal readings lower then so much the better.

Now we are looking at willpower. Depends what you want out of life. If you don't have any willpower you might as well give up now. You are going to need shed loads of it if you want to get healthy and live a long and fruitful Diabetic life. We have all thought at some point, Oh, what the hell ! and eaten chocolate,cakes,biscuits etc. Then afterwards thought that wasn't a good idea especially when your Bg level is 10+ because you had a can of Coke or a Big Mac. There are many good self help books out there, in your local Library which will teach you the basics of getting and keeping willpower. Get one and read it. It might just help.

As for a ' Cure'...? Don't hold your breath. we have seen many so called cures, tablets, supplements etc...mostly all smoke and mirrors, nothing so far has seemed to cure much, just drain your bank balance.

Antidepressants are like crutches, they can help and support you through trying times. Yes, they mess with your brain a bit but as you are already in a mess then what is the harm in trying to get things back into sync ??
I was on them for nearly 4 years. I wasn't a zombie and didn't walk around spaced out ! They just helped when I had the 'bad days'. Helped me to function and live a bit. I don't need them any more. I am back in charge of my life and in control of my destiny. Get some help and do the same. I took them because I needed to and was sensible enough to know that they could help. I was never addicted. I stopped them one day and had no problems whatsoever despite thinking what will happen to me now ? I feel I have got stronger. I can talk about anything now, I can shed tears when I need to. I don't care who sees it, I am a man who has a sensitive soul - is that so bad ?

As for 'tough 'Northerners, I've met a few. They all shed some tears at times, they just don't like it to show - no matter. Time you shed a few and let us help you get life back on track. We want to help.
Oh, yes. Try not to ask too many questions all at once. It is easier when there are just one or two, you will get quicker answers as well.

So, Marty. It's up to you. YOU have to help yourself mate. We can't do everything for you. As my friend Sue says, look around the site, read the success stories and many other excellent posts here. There is a newbies guide to Low Carbing if you want to try that way ? YOU have to read, we are not going to lead you by the hand and tell you what to do. You are a grown man and can make your own choices, good or bad. We all had to. I speak bluntly as you can see.

Ken.
 
Hi Marty,
I’m sorry you thought that my post was just merely platitudes, it was not, it was meant from the heart, from my own experiences of losing loved ones.

I to have sat with many people, holding their hands while they slipped from this life, It is a thing I never shirk from doing, the last privilege of comforting someone before they leave this life.
Sadly it was not a privilege I had with my own parents and several others who died. This still hurts after 20-30 years .

Now, on top of that you have been handed diabetes to deal with and must feel that life is just throwing everything at you and don’t know where to start. Please believe that we are here to help you and support you, if we can.
 
martyK, there really isn't any alternative to doing your own reading and conducting your own research on your own particular diabetic body, which is differnt to mine, and everyone else here. What works for me might not work for you and might not work for cugila.

And to follow on from Ken's excellent post...

Wildly fluctuating blood sugar levels (associated with starchy high carb comfort food) in the presence of lots of insulin (T2s often overproduce insulin which our bodies can't use) gives you carbohydrate cravings, which are often interpreted as hunger. Willpower is much easier once you are not fighting carb cravings. Really.

Whatever dietary approach you adopt in the end you have to reduce your overall carbohydrate intake, not just the obvious sugar, if you want to lower your blood sugar. It really is that simple. I refer you to bloodsugar101 to find out how that biological process works. You can talk to the others here if you have any queries or don't understand or what has happened for you seems to be differnt to what you expect.

I don't advocate making mega changes all at once, because I don't believe it is sustainable, especially if you have a tendency to overeat/overindulge. When I was eating obvious carbs I could be "hungry" again within a hour or so of a large meal :? :o I made numerous stepwise changes over several months that reduced the blood sugars and the carb cravings. I now know the difference between a carb craving and hunger.

I also think that a knee-jerk response to finding out you can do something about your blood sugar could result in you doing so much at once that you just don't know what is working for you :shock:

Give yourself a few days for some reading/research and gather whatever supplies you need for whatever course of action you are going to take. I picked the things I needed to know up over several weeks and month and I'm still learning all the time. Also, it can sometimes cause difficult physical symptoms if you reduce your blood sugar too rapidly, especially if those levels were very high.

You might want to adopt some of the techniques used for giving up smoking to making changes to your diet. Let people know what you are doing so they don't put you in a position where you are faced with unsuitable food choices. Of course, this means that you have to talk to people about your diabetes/need to lower your blood sugar.

I'd also set for myself some targets in the short term. When I was in the diagnosis and early stages, I simply set targets for the next blood test, when I wanted to see an improvement on the numbers I had last time. I didn't put a figure on the improvement, I just wanted to see the improvement. I did this for 3 months before I started testing my blood regularly when I started to low carb.

We really can't tell you what to do. You need to learn about diabetes, and how your own diabetic body works - we really are all that different. And your psychology is different to mine, whatever you decide to do it has to work for you and only you will know if it is working.

Having said that we can't tell you what to do, I will tell you this! Pay for as little as possible. The drug companies are falling over themselves to get you to use their products, so ring up customer services and see what you can blag from them. My main meter was a feebie from Roche - sent out by first class post which arrived the day after I called them. I have several finger pricking devices by adopting this approach! I got a second meter from the competition at the top of this page. It isn't a real competition, give them your details and you will get a meter, but it may take a several weeks.

Take a look at the threads here for info on testing and the struggle some of us have in getting strips on the NHS. Many GPs/PCTs don't like us T2s to test :evil: and we have to work hard to get a supply of strips on prescription. I have confirmed with my GP that he will prescribe me 50 a month, I buy the extras. My philospohy is that it isn't fair, but every strip he gives me is one I don't have to buy myself.

I don't plan to carry out this level of testing (6-8 tests a day at about 50p per strip if you buy them at full price over the counter) for the rest of my life. I fail to see how we can gain control of our blood sugar without knowing what the food we do does once we have eaten it. Testing is probably going to be expensive for you, so you need to know how to interpret the results - I'd say don't start until you have a handle on what you shoud do with the results. I'd say that testing is the single most useful thing I do to see how I'm going - and I got a huge buzz when I saw those levels falling very quickly, within a few days :mrgreen:

The main issue is strips - some are more expensive than others and many GPs don't approve of you testing. I persisted with my GP, who didn't want me to test, and supplement my 50 a month NHS strips with additional strips I buy from eBay. Check the sellers reputation and set a limit above which you will not go - mine is half the retail price but my last lot (which I bought in bulk) were considerably less. Some people buy direct from the manufacturer, which is cheaper. Anything you do buy, make sure you get the VAT exemption, but you may need to persist with this. I understand there is a VAT exemption for somewhere on this website. If you take any meds for your diabetes, you should be entitled to free prescriptions - this is not means tested - and covers all your prescriptions. It takes a while for the card to arrive tho...

As far as some of your other questions go, exercise will help, it wakes up the insulin receptors and reduces the insulin resistance, although it is a bit over-rated for weight loss, but it might be easier to exercise once you have lost a bit of weight. I have found it easier to take the steps rather than the lift as the weight has gone.

As far as a fuddled brain goes, I resent the implication that only you compuer chaps need to have alert minds :evil: :roll: I can also pretty much guarantee that reducing your blood sugar will help you to feel much more alert, and this may have an impact on your depression. The afternoon headaches and fuzzyheadedness that made me feel worn out and lethargic, and which I used to put down to poor sleeping patterns and rubbish air conditioning, went once I lowered my blood sugar levels dropped. I still get headaches occasionally but far less frequently, but now reach for my meter rather than the paracetamol - usually this tells me that my blood sugar is high and taking a break and maybe running some errands etc etc is more likely to be effective that a couple of paracetamol. The poor sleeping patterns and rubbish air conditioning have not changed :( so I'm sure it is the blood sugar :shock:

None of us have time to manage other people's diabetes as well as our own. If that is your expectation, you are on to a loser because you have to inform yourself and become your own personal science experiment. I have had so much help and support from the the other people who come to this website and I am still learning. You just have to read a few of the long term poster - even those with good numbers - to see that we all struggle at some point, even when we have been doing it for a long time.

Support and encouragement from this community can be anything from a few words of encouragement to detailed technical responses. I find you get out what you put in. I hope I can do my bit to help the newcomers who are in such desperate need when they arrive here. Sometimes the posts may not be what you need to hear, but it is well intentioned.
 
Marty
most of the people who contribut to this forum do so because they want to help others.
Also the older ones of us( and there are children here too) have shared your experience of loss.
I've read what my friends have said to you and the advice is good.
I can't add much, but I think you might find a blood glucose meter would help give you a sense of success. and feeling positive
Decide on what alteration you feel would suit you to your eating plan. the simplest, is to use smaller plates. That aids portion control
Make a start by measuring BG on waking. After you implement your chosen changes, you should see the numbers dropping day by day and the success will "boost" your confidence.

When you feel better about yourself, and you WILL. You might look for somewhere you can contribute to someone else's well being, you might become a volunteer. Giving of yourself is a great treatment for loneliness( but perhaps not straight away).
Remember your departed loved ones always
Hana
 
Hello,

Spiral
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"As far as a fuddled brain goes, I resent the implication that only you compuer chaps need to have alert minds"

Sorry I didnt mean to implie that at all - I was talking about antidepressant tables and their effect on mental processes. That is why I dont want to take the tablets.

oh dear - I seem to be getting peoples back up - not a good start - I am sorry I dont mean to offend anyone.
.............................

So trying to start my "journey to the dark side" with some more knowledge.
I have just bought a meter (a nano) and done my first blood test - that was hard, getting the blood to flow enough - it was 2 hours after a meal - it reads 13.1 mmol.
What does that tell me? have I eaten the wrong food or is it because I have uncontrolled diabetes?

Do I really have to change my lancet needle after every hit? That could get expensive as I cant get em on the NHS.

Thanks
Martyk
 
Hi Marty.

Glad to see you are getting organised. 13.1 is high. What did you have for your meal.
List the ingredients for me ? Then I can probably help.

I use an Accu-Chek Aviva with a multiclix lancet device. I think that is similar to the one you may have ? It has 6 needles in a drum. I change mine once a week or if the pricker starts to get painful. No need to change each time you use it. It uses the capilliary blood just under the skin so there is little risk of infection, as opposed to injecting. Just keep everything clean though.
 
Hi cuglia,
I had 2 strips of lean beef (2cm by about 6cm) , 2 small potatos thinly sliced and fried in olive oil
2 whole carrots thinly sliced and fried in olive oil

and a 2 egg omellette and some green leaves from a sainsbury salad pack

plus 1 whispa bar because I cant stop eating chocolate

Yeah I think we have the same kit - 1 week / lancet kind of makes sense
Ok so people on t5his forum say I shold do a fasting test , some say I should do it last thing at night , some say I shouldnt , whats your feeling on this.

also some say I should test after 3 hours , but I am probably going to have a snack about then, so I guess I do it before.

My meals , as per diet book
breakfast
morning snack
lunch
afternoon snack
tea/supper

so shoud I test
before breakfast
before lunch
before afternoon snack
before tea
before bed

that seems a lot

thanks
MartyK
 
2 small potatoes. Could be anything from 17 to 26g carbs if they weighed no more than 100g.
Carrots can be anything from 4g to 8g carbs per 100g weight.
Wispa Chocolate bar 21g per bar.
Wispa Gold Bar 29g per bar.
The Wispa bar is like having a meal on it's own !!
Not sure if the omelette is part of your breakfast ?

That lot adds up to 63g carbs, at least, MORE than my daily intake of carbs.

As for testing. I think at this point you need to test on waking, before meals then 2 hrs after meals. A test before bedtime would also be beneficial. Keep a food diary as to what you eat. You can then see immediately what certain foods do to your Bg levels.As for 3 hr testing that is only needed if you are eating something like pasta or pizza. Not required normally.

What diet book are you following that requires you to eat so often. I thought that you were trying to lose weight ? If you eat 3 meals a day you should be full after the meals. Why should you need snacks in between. Are you still hungry or is it just because the book tells you to ? Testing should only be done before and after MAIN meals. I am a bit concerned as to the size/content of your snacks ? Can you tell me what they are most days ?
 
hey
63g is a bit of a shocker

my snacks are normally a peice of fruit , an apple of 4 or 5 strawberries
I generally eat because of the book , not really because I am hungry.

I guess I will have to start measuyring my carb intake in depth.
I will get one of these gem carb counters.

I will have to find a site with Lots of recipes for locarb as I can quickly see myself wanting to eat more.

I need to learn to like porridge for breakfast too I guess. I have never like cooking first thing.

is a GL Diet better than a GI Diet do you think?
thank for your help
MartyK
 
Hi Marety.

If you are going to try Porridge then I suggest that you test at 1 hr and 2 hrs as this can 'spike' your Bg levels alarmingly. There are a lot of us who cannot tolerate anything with Oats in as they are usually pretty high carb as well. You may be one of the lucky ones.

As for GI and GL I prefer GL. with GI it does not take into account the actual portion sizes. The GL of a food is calculated by multiplying the GI value of a food by the number of grams of carbs contained in a realistic portion then dividing the result by 100.

GI value x grams of carb per serving / 100 = GL value.

The GL values are much lower than GI values. High GI foods are 70 or more, medium ones are
50 - 70 and low GI is anything up to 50. GL values are low anything up to 10, medium up to 20 and high is anything above 20. You can pick up the Collins Gem GI and also the GL books for more information.

Here is also a link to the Glycaemic indexes of certain foods as a starter.
http://www.glycaemicindex.com/

Here are some lo-carb recipes as well.
http://www.lowcarb-recipes.net/recipes/Main-Dish/

It's an American site so some things are unusual, but there are all sorts listed there. You should find something you like ?
 
hey,
thanks for thise links they are good!
**** I was hoping porridge would be ok.
So is there a good cold breakfast I can get used to?

cheers
 
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